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Old April 14th, 2012, 01:16 PM   #101
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I know the body shop guys cringe when you don't run liners, saying they protect from rust, but I don't buy it.

Every set I've pulled over the years hides rust, moisture, and this time I got about 10 pounds of sand and dirt out.

You can see where I hammered over the bottom 6 inches of the sharp pinch welded area.

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Old April 14th, 2012, 01:17 PM   #102
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So after removing the inner fenders, hammering lip, and getting truck back on ground I see it is VERY close as to whether these will hit, in a big bump, while turning. So I decided to mount up both fronts, and I'm going for a drive. Wish me luck!

If I toast fenders, no biggie, they are getting replaced anyways.

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Sometimes I love engineers. 2 and 4 wheel drive G56 units appear to be the same. 2wd units just get this big flange.



And sometimes I want to take a rolled up newspaper to engineers. There is only one sensor on the trans. I wanted to see if it was a reverse sensor or vss. It (and most of the bolts on the trans) are inverted torx metric. Bad engineer.....swat swat.....go to your corner and think about what you did.



It's a reverse switch by the way.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 04:10 PM   #105
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Ran the truck up over the curb at my shop and drove it home down my washboard dirt road on my way home. So far no rubbing. 8 R 19.5's are probably the way to go.

Oh, and with such skinny tires it steers oh so nice and easy :)
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Old April 17th, 2012, 10:20 AM   #106
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NV4500 (left) vs. G56 design. You can see the spacer bump that is part of the 56 setup. This is what makes up for the difference. As you can see, the starter gear is at the back of the flywheel to make the difference. The only other way this could have been achieved would have been to use an aftermarket 13 inch nv4500 flywheel with a crank spacer, but then I'm not sure what kind of starter issues I'd have, and whether or not the starter would engage.

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Old April 17th, 2012, 10:37 AM   #107
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As a reference point, I measured with a straight edge from the bottom of the frame to the middle of the output, which came out to 6 1/2 inches. Being this is a center bearing truck I'll need to stay close to that.

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Stock shifter and boot. I'm hoping to use the 2011 boot, because this one looks like Dom DeLouise would use it as a hat. Shifter is in neutral position, and you can see the way it bends up towards dash. The six speed shifter is different, more of a straight rod to the driver, so I'm hoping to be able to use it to give more dash to shifter clearance so I can mount my CB there. Currently it would hit, so CB is under seat, making it a pain to use. We'll see!

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For anyone pulling a stock 97 shifter boot, here is something interesting - I unscrewed the boot but it wouldn't pop up. I even tried prying it. It took me a bit, but I figured out they use a boot inside a boot, with the inside one screwed to the floor and the outside one screwed to the inside one. Mine were quite stuck together and appeared to be one piece.

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I needed a big trans jack (for use under a hoist) but couldn't find one in time, so I bolted my floor one to the top of my 1940's pneumatic air bumper lift. Quite redneck, but worked very well.




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Old April 17th, 2012, 05:26 PM   #111
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And the NV4500 next to the G56. Quite a size difference. The shifter comes out in the exact same spot to the inch. Reverse light hookups are different. The bellhousing on the G56 is much larger and deeper.

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Southbend NV5600 vs. Stock clutch.





New flywheel came with longer bolts, which were necessary.



And new flywheel and clutch installed. Everything was super heavy.

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Trans went in easily by jacking up front of motor. Contrary to what I read online, floor modification was not necessary.

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I pulled the flange to see if it indeed is the same as a 4x4 version. It is. The output spline is 29. I also took a spare 4x4 case just to "be sure" and it bolted right in with plenty of spline engagement. So yes, 2wd and 4wd G56 transmissions are the same. And, 2wd and 4wd dodge crossmembers are interchangeable.



Lgottlers hairy arms holding in t-case.



And in, but its not staying. Nice to know a 4x4 conversion wouldn't require a trans change.


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According to another site I'm on, the only difference besides the flange is the rear seal. Supposedly the 4x4 seal is a smaller inside diameter but easily popped out and swapped. I'll check it out in the next few days and let you guys know.
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Sorry for the delay guys. I had some other stuff I needed to do and I was waiting on the driveshaft.

First, I checked out whether or not the seal is different between 2 and 4 wheel drive. It appears to be. The 241 case I had bolted up takes an approximately 2 inch inside diameter seal, where the 2wd yoke takes one that is approximately 2 7/8.

I also had to modify the crossmember. To have the trans yoke in the right spot the mount needed to come rearward about 2 inches, and down 1.



So I cut out the offending area and reworked it.



And probably didn't need to, but braced it from underneath for insurance.

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Lot of good info on the tranny conversion. My 98 cummins started as a 2wd, now its 4wd. I was thinking about converting it to a manual.
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Bu the way, a stock NV4500 trans mount bolts to the G56, as does the slave cylinder. However, the G56 has a shorter slave pushrod than the NV4500. Due to the thicker clutch, I believe the short one is the one to use. Here is the difference:

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Lot of good info on the tranny conversion. My 98 cummins started as a 2wd, now its 4wd. I was thinking about converting it to a manual.
Did you use stock stuff? Leaf it?

If you are serious about doing it, I have a 98 manual pedal assembly I'd let go for a decent price.
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I got a doner gasser. Stripped the frame and did it right. Worst part is doing the engine cradle. Took about a week total for the conversion.
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