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Old April 11th, 2012, 09:11 AM   #81
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Is it just the photo, or is your truck squatting pretty hard with just that empty beast of a trailer on there?
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Old April 11th, 2012, 09:15 AM   #82
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that's a bad ass trailer, I realize it wasn't fully loaded, but did the dually add a lot of stability while towing? worth the effort of the swap?
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I feel it the dually conversion was the way to go. It towed great and was very stable. I hit a very heavy crosswind in southern Ohio and could only feel the slightest of pull and occasional minor rocking. It probably would have been much worse if I was still SRW.

I believe if I re-installed the rear sway bar (and maybe added a leaf or two) it would tow even better, so those things are on my to do list.
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Old April 11th, 2012, 09:17 AM   #83
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I don't have a need for a dually, but I hear the crosswind argument most often when justifying the extra wheels.
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Old April 11th, 2012, 09:22 AM   #84
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I don't have a need for a dually, but I hear the crosswind argument most often when justifying the extra wheels.
That was the most of my concern. A good freind of mine that does a ton of towing also brings up the point that the dually offers some extra security in a flat tire situation, mostly while towing.

The guy that bought this trailer from Pinks towed it from NC and back with a F-250 superduty srw 4x4 and said he never had an issue, although he only used it a few times.
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And she is home!



I just measured, the new trailer has 33 feet of floor space. Perfect for two cars or Jeeps.
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Old April 11th, 2012, 12:35 PM   #86
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Does it tow like it's not even back there? lol.
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Does it tow like it's not even back there? lol.
Actually, going down the road, yes. Uphill from a dead stop.....well thats another matter :D
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Is it just the photo, or is your truck squatting pretty hard with just that empty beast of a trailer on there?
Its the photo. It sits 2-3 inches lower than empty. However it did hit the bumpstops a few times on the way home when I nailed a few big potholes. I plan to throw a couple extra leaves in.

And the trailer is quite tongue heavy currently. There is a fridge, microwave, two beds, and all kinds of junk in the front that is getting pulled.
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So, the NV4500 lost 5th gear. I'd like an extra gear, and looked at my options.

The NV5600, which came in these trucks 99-02, and 03-04 would be the simplest. However like the NV4500, overdrive is on the back of the trans, causing a weak point. Plus, the 5600 is getting hard to find, and most trans shops won't touch them, citing many issues.

So I started looking at the G56 used from 2005 to now. It is a German design, and the reviews out there pretty much say its God's gift to the manual trans Cummins crowd.

There are two G56 versions, the 2005-08, and the 2009-current G56a. The difference is that the early model uses a .79 overdrive ratio and the current model uses a .74 overdrive ratio. There is also rumor that the mainshaft and some internal parts were made of better steel (cryo-treated?) in the newer models, although I have yet to positively confirm this.

So, after thinking about it and checking the numbers I've decided to use a 2009-now G56a.
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2wd G56a transmissions are pretty scarce, but I finally found one through one of my parts places. It came out of a wrecked 2011 Ram with only 17,000 miles on it.

It came in today on a pallet, it's all wrapped up still, so here is a list of the knowns and unknowns.

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The G56 is physically longer and taller than a NV4500, so there will probably be some clearance issues. Net research says I'll have to cut crossmember and hammer floor.

The G56 will (probably) bolt to the NV4500 adapter. The G56 uses an integral bellhousing.

The G56 is fixed yoke vs. my current slip.

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I'm not sure yet if the stock clutch and flywheel will work.

Speedo pickup may or may not work. I found a writeup online detailing how to use rear axle sensor for a speedo sensor.
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Got trans unwrapped and started measuring everything up. I mocked up a nv4500 adapter plate and clutch.

Everthing bolts up with exception of the clutch disc. The NV4500 uses a 12x1.25 disc whereas the G56 uses a 13x1.375 disc. The G56 input shaft is larger and the spline engagement sits approximately .75 inch deeper into the bell.

This left me with a few options:

1. Since I have been unable to cross reference a stock application 12x1.375 disc I would be looking at a custom disc. Even then I'm not sure it would have enough spline engagement.

2. Upgrade to a 13 inch flywheel from a NV5600 equipped truck. That would require a starter spacer adapter. Then use a 5600 clutch.

3. Use all stock G56 clutch components with a dual mass flywheel. This would require no spacer, but the dual mass is not the way to go.

So after all that, I called Greg at Southbend (over several calls) and his opinion is that I should use an aftermarket single mass G56 13 inch flywheel with my stock nv4500 adapter and starter. Then use a nv5600 spec clutch kit. This gives me the best of both worlds and does not require a starter spacer. Plus it gives me the correct engagement and depth. Instead of trying to piece together the stock pieces, I just ordered the Southbend kit, knowing if I blew the clutch in the middle of nowhere I could replace it with a nv5600 unit. Plus the Southbend single 5600 kit is rated to tow over 20,000 lbs. regularly.


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Speedo pickup may or may not work. I found a writeup online detailing how to use rear axle sensor for a speedo sensor.
If this turns out to be a major PITA check these out

http://www.speedhut.com/gauge_produc...ometer_GPS.htm
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http://www.speedhut.com/gauge_produc...ometer_GPS.htm
Very cool. Thanks!

I wondered if someone made something like that.
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As a note, I was curious if I totally cheaped out on all clutch stuff how low I could go.

Valair (cheapest) g56 single mass flywheel - $250ish

Autozone NV5600 clutch kit - $239

So, with tax and shipping I'd be around $550.

Southbend kit with flywheel was $950, so almost double........for four times the clutch.
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Being that I'm now waiting for my clutch the plan tomorrow is to test fit my 19.5 wheels and tinker with sensors to see what I need to do.
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I'm sure you've thought of this already - but with the miles you plan on driving with that trailer - an airfoil or similar object on the cab would pay for itself quick and net you a consistent increase in fuel economy.

There are some other aero tricks that could net a bit more too.

I'm pretty impressed on what you've done with your "life" in the last 3 or 4 years.
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Keith is the stuff your pullin out of the trailer any good? I just got a semi and I need some stuff the make it into a rv. Let me know or give me a call. Thanks Jason
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I'm sure you've thought of this already - but with the miles you plan on driving with that trailer - an airfoil or similar object on the cab would pay for itself quick and net you a consistent increase in fuel economy.

There are some other aero tricks that could net a bit more too.

I'm pretty impressed on what you've done with your "life" in the last 3 or 4 years.
Thanks! I've got a few ideas for the future, so we'll see. I really like some of the more detailed ideas you pm'd me as well.
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Test fitting the P30 (frito lay truck) Chevy wheels to my truck. I aquired these from a friend, and he bored out the centers already to the larger Dodge hole size for me.

The wheels I got from him all came with 8 R 19.5 load range F tires on them. The tires are in pretty good shape, and I'd like to use them as they are tall (approx 34 inches) and skinny.

Bolted up:



And fully cycled them back and forth. Only spot they hit is a bump in the back of the plastic wheel liner:



From the back it appears there would be plenty of room if I trimmed liner or removed it. Since I am replacing front fenders soon I am going to try removing liner.
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