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Old April 12th, 2012, 06:27 PM   #1
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Im thinking about running a 5r110 in my early bronco chassis build. PCS makes a stand alone TCM that destroked sells and seems to support. My big concern is that everything I hear about this set up is that its hard to tune the "shift quality" of the 5r110. It sounds fairly easy to set shift pionts and what not but the actual shift quality is what seems like a pain in the ass. I have read on some of the diesel forums of guys using this system when they put a cummins in place of the 6.0. and it sounds like most people struggle a great deal with the programming.

That being said the tech from destroked seemed very knowledable of this set up and willing to help tune the trans. this ofcourse would be over the phone assistance as they are in CO. They can send you basic tune peramitors of what works...how well that works is the big question???

Problem is, this is not a cheap set up, and I dont want to spend a bunch of $$$ on something I cant get to run proper.

Anyone have experience using the PCS set up from destroked?
Likes, dislikes, programming experience etc??
I could also use a 4r70 but I really like the 1st gear ratio of the 5speed. and Im not sure the 4r70 will hold up to what will be turning it...

Your thoughts are appreciated

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I can't speak for the 5r or that controller, but I have used the 4R70W with a Baumann controller more than once. Unless you're running ridiculous power the 4R70W will work really well and it's relatively small and light. Not to mention the trans itself can be built rather inexpensively. I had that setup in a twin turbo early bronco, have installed it in a twin turbo mustang, and am using one in the single turbo falcon I'm building now... what kind of power levels are you planning?
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I can't speak for the 5r or that controller, but I have used the 4R70W with a Baumann controller more than once. Unless you're running ridiculous power the 4R70W will work really well and it's relatively small and light. Not to mention the trans itself can be built rather inexpensively. I had that setup in a twin turbo early bronco, have installed it in a twin turbo mustang, and am using one in the single turbo falcon I'm building now... what kind of power levels are you planning?
Sounds like a nice EB. what motor were you running twin turbos on and how much HP/TQ were you running through the 4R70W?
Also What transfer case did you run with your 4R70W? I have a case from a SD but I dont think that it will work with a 4R70W???

If I go this route it will be around 500 at the crank. do you think the 4R70w hold up?
They still have a good 1st gear ratio, 2.84 I believe, and alot less complicated than the 5r110. did the 4R70W only come in the mustang as a 2 wheel drive trans? I thought the w was wide ratio from mustang and the others are from expedition/truck. I could be wrong Im just starting to research and learn about these transmission.
If that is the case I assume it is pretty inexpensive to put the 4x4 tail shaft on a 2wd 4R70W?

Time to come out of the dark ages and get with the new techmonology...lol

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Sounds like a nice EB. what motor were you running twin turbos on and how much HP/TQ were you running through the 4R70W?
Also What transfer case did you run with your 4R70W? I have a case from a SD but I dont think that it will work with a 4R70W???

If I go this route it will be around 500 at the crank. do you think the 4R70w hold up?
They still have a good 1st gear ratio, 2.84 I believe, and alot less complicated than the 5r110. did the 4R70W only come in the mustang as a 2 wheel drive trans? I thought the w was wide ratio from mustang and the others are from expedition/truck. I could be wrong Im just starting to research and learn about these transmission.
If that is the case I assume it is pretty inexpensive to put the 4x4 tail shaft on a 2wd 4R70W?

Time to come out of the dark ages and get with the new techmonology...lol

I had an Incon kit on a GT40 crate engine with a few little upgrades. The drive train put well over 400hp/400ft lbs to the wheels in a Mustang at only 8 lbs of boost, and I was running over ten in the Bronco.

I used a NP205 in the Bronco, it's pretty much a direct swap with a small mod needed to the extension housing. The 4R70W uses the standard 6 bolt tcase pattern, and is 31 spline output if I remember correctly.

As far as holding up, with some minor upgrades internally it will easily handle that power level. Do some reading here:

http://www.tccoa.com/articles/tranny...on/page1.shtml

If you decide to do it your best bet is to find a late 90's - early 00's 5.0 Explorer or Mountaineer 4R70W. They're the correct older V8 bellhousing, correct tcase pattern etc. The newer the trans the better as far as factory upgrades. Good used transmissions can be had for $200 or so, then just need to freshen / upgrade a few things.

Let me know if you have any questions, I'm no expert, but have quite a bit of experience with the swap and have done plenty of research etc...
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There is some great information here that can save me alot of time head ache and money. Thank You,

I will be running a mod set up so I will be looking for the newer bellhousing.

do you recall what tq convertor you used?
also any links to stand alone TCM? the nice thing with the PCS set up is you need to give it TPS, tire size and gear ratio only.

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If you're using the mod engine then a standard F150 trans should work... my 02 F150 trans looks identical, same 6 bolt pattern etc.

I think it was a Stallion from Precision converter if I remember correctly. I have been using Edge converters for the last few years and have been very happy. They would get my phone call.

Here's the link to Baumann. I used there older controller in the past, I haven't tried the new one yet. I plan to use the new version in my Falcon soon.

http://www.becontrols.com/

Let me know if there's anything else. I don't have the time or money to build buggies like you and Bones have, but love to be involved... hell I'd probably be willing to help put your trans together or help Bones with his engine needs, but I'm on the wrong side of the state.
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