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Old April 11th, 2012, 02:49 PM   #101
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They are getting cut off and I am going to do something different so I can get some shocks that have longer travel. The tire would be super super close to touching it when it flexes, but I am going to do something different and try making a tower with some 3/16" plate so I can use the same shocks that I am going to for the front.
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Old April 11th, 2012, 05:24 PM   #102
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Old April 11th, 2012, 07:10 PM   #103
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Thanks! I started molesting the cab last night...mainly because I was sick of looking at the broken glass and junk in the cab. I cleaned that all out and trimmed up the cab alot. I trimmed out the old rockers and made room for either 2x6 or 2x8 rectangle tube that is going to be rock sliders and tie into the frame 3 places on each. I then trimmed the back portion of the cab where it hung down far and was really rusty so it accomplished two things there. As you can see it looks very open to the rear of where the door would be and I am going to fill that in with sheet metal that will go down the new angle to the rockslider to fill in the gap. I think it will give it a new clean look and helps free up a lot of area for trying to fit in a tight space or off camber areas. Trimming the floors back that far too for the rockers helped me with the amount of area I have to fix from rust on the drivers side floor board area too so I wont spend as much time on there either.



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Old April 30th, 2012, 09:28 PM   #104
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I want some honest opinions on this...I thought this was the route I wanted with my rockers...but I'm starting to wonder if I should build something out of tube...

What I did was take 2"x6"x3/16" rectangle tube and put it where I cut the old rockers out...I joined that to the frame with 1.5"x1.5"x3/16" square tube to a small fishplate. If I do keep these I will cap the ends too so they are sealed....everything is tacked right now but I am still able to move these about 1/4" up and down. The reason I went with rectangle tube here over d.o.m. was because I didnt want it denting easy when I smashed it into rocks, and it sticking out a little bit would protect the body a little on trees and what not. It just looks out of place to me....The rear rollcage mount would catch the rear rocker mount, and the front rollcage support would tie into the rocker itself...this would probably stiffen it up...these things are somewhat heavy and I'm curious if them being a foot away from the frame rails will act as a huge lever when bashing something and crack the frame pretty quick. Everything is going to pretty much tie into them, and themselves are tied into the frame so that would probably stiffen it up....but just curious as to some opinions on this... (yes the 1.5x1.5 are at different angles compared to the frame...i was trying to keep them close to center of the frame in every spot they hit and the frame has bends in it so I had to adjust accordingly.)

Second choice I had was to ditch what I have now and bend some tube to fit the inside edge of the trimmed cab, then come off of that with a rock rail like you see a lot of cherokees run with...then tie the cage into that...it would be a lot lighter, and I could make a little more clearance on the width of the truck, but I'm concerend that it would dent pretty easy if it landed on a rock or something...

Also picked up a C6 trans to throw in the truck for a good bullet proof trans....





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Old April 30th, 2012, 10:12 PM   #105
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This is shweet. I think I'll eventually try this route with my '89 super cab. I might leave the TTB though, just to be different.

In my opinion, I dont think you'll have any issues with cracking IF everything is tied in like you said it would be.
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Old April 30th, 2012, 11:42 PM   #106
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Just being honest the rock sliders dont look like the same quality work as done everywhere else. buy some .25 wall dom if your afraid of it bending
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Old May 1st, 2012, 01:14 PM   #107
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.25 wall is not really a feasable option...I'd have around $250 into the sliders, plus the thats a little more than this benders capablity, and I'd be right back at the same issue off all the weight way out there... I did something a little different with some 1.75x.120 wall dom that I like a little better....It will get at least another support in the middle of the run if not 2. I kept it up high in relation to the frame so it doesnt get banged up too bad....I'm not really concerned with the tube bending, I can brace it enough to stop that, I'm concerned with it denting. Ive seen smaller tube dent pretty easy, and a piece I got from the steel yard already had a small ding in it, but I dont really seeing it being a huge issue unless it kinked it or something. I am going to come off of this structure that I built with rock sliders you see a lot of cherokees run with, but angled upward at about a 30 degree angle, and tie the front pillar of the cage into them. Then the tube that runs along the hood that isn't there yet will tie into them as well. This is only tacked right now on both ends and I can put my entire body weight on it and it doesnt move at all, but the whole truck does....and it weighs a fraction of what the 2x6 weighed...here are some pics of how it is started out... Where the tube meets the frame I am throwing in a small fishplate incase I ever have to remove the tube I can cut it without having to be careful of cutting up the frame in the process and it should stiffen the frame up somewhat in the areas where the tube connects to it.



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Old May 6th, 2012, 08:51 PM   #108
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I got a lot done this weekend but not as much time on the truck as I wanted to spend. I did get the power all set up for my new welder out there and that is good to go. I started on my interior cage this weekend and got a lot knocked out of it.

I started by crossing the main hoop to brace itself, and a spreader bar at the bottom to keep the feet from spreading too much...

I also made the bottom plates that bolt up to the main hoop and cut a hole in the floor so I can tie it into the frame. I was originally going to tie it into the rocker slider main support on the rear but I decided it is just as easy to run it into the frame and it will probably be a lot stronger and give the tube structure one more place that it is tied into the original frame...

I also bent up the main upper hoop above where your head will be...It fits very tight to the contour of the cab. You can see that there is probably about 3 inches above it yet, and the 180 hoop is going a different direction. I did that on purpose. I am going to come off of that with 4 different pieces, 2 running with the vehicle and two coming from both sides of center travelling at about 45 degrees forward and at each end they will have a bend that will drop down into the front of the upper hoop and that way it fits as tight to the top of the cab as possible and as far forward as possible without interferring the windshield. It looks like it hangs down far in the glass but it is a good 9 inches above line of sight from where I will be looking level...

Here is a pic from behind,from where I am standing it makes it look like the upper hoop is crooked compared to the windshield, but it isn't, this pic made me even go check it with a angle finder versus what the other hoops and the frame is and its exact, its starting to look a bit ridiculous with all the tube on it, I am going to try to finish up the cage this week and the rockers so that is all set, and get the drivetrain back in it.


I picked up a set of hubs and bearings, for the front that I will probably put on later this week, and a summit racing zinc oil pan to start cleaning the motor up some.

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Old May 11th, 2012, 09:05 PM   #109
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I am working a shutdown right now and a lot of overtime so I haven't done a whole lot. I am kind of picking away small things after work each night. So far tonight I accomplished the two center bars on the upper hoop, and bent up the front pillars and the last two supports for the upper hoop. I also made another brace in the rear and tacked that into place. Here are a few pics of it.



The last two pieces I talked about that I bent up are going to run from each side of the center hoop and go out to the corner area of both sides of the windshield of the cage. My hubs also came in this week, I didnt have much luck finding any 3/4 ton chevy ones on ebay or what not and came accross some of the big inner bearing ones because that was the spindle I had with bearings in them and good inner seals. I just need to pick up a set of external lockouts for it...I through up the idea of drive flanges, but If i break a shaft it would be nice to unlock the axle and be able to drive it a little ways. I also picked up a zinc plated stock size oil pan for the 351...I'll prb order a weiand intake for it later this week. Ruffstuff is having a mothers day sale so I finally bought the sterling disc brake brackets that I have been putting off as well today.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 10:10 PM   #110
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Very Cool. I have wanted to build something like for a very long time. Can't wait to see it finished up.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 09:38 PM   #111
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I've been pretty tired after working all the overtime and you can see with the amount that has been done every night...here is a pic of the upper hoop braces finished, and the bottoms welded...tomorrow night I will unbolt the cage and tip it forward so I can weld the tops out and then put it back in place to make the front pillar supports and the rest of the cage....I added some gussets to the main hoop where it meets the upper hoop two on the outside bars....I'm pretty happy with how it turned out so far...here is two pics of it...

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I fit the front pillars in and the cross bar in. From there I built a little area that I am going to fill in with some nice aluminum to make a gauge area and the steering column will mount to. The area between the cross bar and the front of the body by the windshield is going to be filled with a thin gauge steel to make a dash and fill in some area and make it nicer looking. I have about 4 more pieces of tube to add to the cage and the cage is all done. Then I will work on the pieces tieing the rocker supports to the frame and the rear cage mount to the frame, rock sliders, and the front tube work, but there isnt going to be a whole lot there.



The next two pics are what I have in mind for the last few pieces...



My rear disc brackets came today as well!

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Old May 16th, 2012, 09:28 PM   #113
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sweet work!
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Old May 16th, 2012, 10:51 PM   #114
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What are you using to notch your tubing?
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I'm using a tube template program off of google and a grinder, cut it out rough with a cut off wheel and finish it off with a flapper wheel, I can get a lot closer into bends than I can with the notcher I have and most cheaper notchers because I wanst going to spend a few hundred dollars on one that could go cut close to bends....the pain in the butt part is going into the house to print off a template every time you figure out a angle.
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I threw in a few more pieces to the cage tonight. Here they are. This should help mount for mounting seats as well as bracing the cage. Tomorrow Im going to try to get the gussets of tube done in the upper corners of the windshield area and get the rock sliders bent up. I picked up another full stick of tube today and that should be the last that I need to buy. I have enough to finish the rear backhalf, sliders, and front tube portion.




I hit the rear disc brackets with a DA sander to scuff them up so the paint adhered good to it and I painted those, tomorrow they will be bolted up as well.
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Are you planning to do any sheet metal work once tubing is done?
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Yeah, its not going to be a fancy paint job when its done because it is pointless. I think in a few places I mentioned what I have in mind in a few areas. Right behind where the door should be is going to get some to fit the new contour, right in front of where the door should be is going to get some where from where the cowl is down to the rocker. I plan on filling in all of the unnecessary holes in the firewall. I am not going to do anything with the front fender area, it is getting tube along the contour of the hood line, and the rear backhalf is all going to be exposed. Probably down the road I'll try fabing up some half doors or something. The whole area between the front cross support by the dash to the firewall will be filled too. I plan on fixing up the drivers floor as well. Thats about the extent of it. I suck at painting, and this thing wont see a car show, but its not sticking with the brown paint.
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I got a little done on it today. Hopefully tomorrow the tube work will be almost finished up. I finished my upper windshield gussets, and bent up both sides rock sliders and tacked in the passenger side one. I bolted up the rear disc brackets as well. Here is a pic of the tube work so far....






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