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Old April 6th, 2012, 08:49 PM   #1
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Default RE 3.5 inch lift now I need a SYE

I have a 3.5 inch RE lift and I am looking to upgrade my shocks to Old Man Emu.
I also want put on a SYE. I am not sure where to go or what parts I need. I have a 2002 TJ Sahara. Any help would be appreciated.
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Old April 6th, 2012, 10:21 PM   #2
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call kevin at jeeperz creeperz. he is in wyandott. great guy, local family owned buisness, great prices. he will do installs too if you dont want to.

for parts you will need and sye kit, and a cv driveshaft.
the t-case will need to be split to install the sye.
he can handle that, if you cant/wont.

he has a nice store/shop, stop by and check it out yourself. meet the guy.
he knows his stuff. his wife works there too, and is very helpful.
its on eureka (ext 36) couple miles east of I75.

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shouldnt need an sye at 3.5 in of lift, look at lockers first
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Old April 9th, 2012, 02:41 PM   #4
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thanks. i will checkout jeeperz and i will look at getting lockers too. i had to lower my transfer case 1 inch and i want to do it right this time.
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Old April 9th, 2012, 02:53 PM   #5
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thanks. i will checkout jeeperz and i will look at getting lockers too. i had to lower my transfer case 1 inch and i want to do it right this time.
good choice, youll love it.

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Old April 9th, 2012, 06:18 PM   #6
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shouldnt need an sye at 3.5 in of lift, look at lockers first
Really? That's makes lot of sense. I guess he should just do a V8 swap too seeing as that has as much to do with his intended mod as lockers do. Good work giving shitty advice though.
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Old April 9th, 2012, 06:30 PM   #7
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shouldnt need an sye at 3.5 in of lift, look at lockers first
On a tj? The drive shaft is only about 12" long joint to joint,with a 4.0 ax 15. I did a 2.5" lift,dropped my t-case,and still had vibrations.
I did a sye and they are gone.
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the re 3.5 kit commonly nets 4 to 4.5 inches on most tj's. anything over 3" needs an sye.
a t-case drop is a band aid. i would not try to spin big tires and lockers on a rig with the stock np231 output shaft. thats a recipe for disaster.

might as well re-gear while your getting the lockers, sye, and the cv drive shaft.

mabey aluminum beadlocks and 40" km2's also?
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Really? That's makes lot of sense. I guess he should just do a V8 swap too seeing as that has as much to do with his intended mod as lockers do. Good work giving shitty advice though.
Srry i was assuming that this being an off road site he is trying to build an off road ready vehicle and knowing that an sye isn't going to help any where near as much as a locker off road I would look at it as a better option, unless the sye is needed.

On a side note thanks for all the useful advise you added in your comment it was help full to all of us who are sick of the haters that plague this website.....
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Off-road is about more than just lockers. Reliability and proper building practices also play a role, and should not be overlooked.

OP should do the SYE, which will beef up his t'case output shaft and give him an opportunity to substantially increase the length and strength of his rear DS. From there, if he wants to lock things up later, fine.
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Srry i was assuming that this being an off road site he is trying to build an off road ready vehicle and knowing that an sye isn't going to help any where near as much as a locker off road I would look at it as a better option, unless the sye is needed.

On a side note thanks for all the useful advise you added in your comment it was help full to all of us who are sick of the haters that plague this website.....
Really? Are you going to cry now? If it sucks so bad then leave. Nobody is begging you to stay.

Regarding the lockers vs SYE; they are completely different modifications that fix and build completely different areas. Yes lockers can give better traction. That's undeniable. However, in day to day driving its not uncommon to have a fair amount of vibrations from 3.5 inches of lift on a TJ and a dropped t-case is a bandaid and not a proper fix. The OP asked about a SYE for a reason. He stated he wanted to now fix it correctly, so where does lockers solve his problem or answer his question? Further, if you want to argue offroad prowess, by raising the t-case back where it should be, he'll be gaining ground clearance which is beneficial offroad. He would also be gaining a much stronger setup with the stronger driveshaft and the stronger rear output on the t-case. It should also be mentioned that raising that t-case back to where it belongs is a huge step for clearance. Assuming a drop of 1.5 inches, that's like going to a 3 inch larger tire! Lockers are great when flexed up, but when the belly is dragging over everything, clearance is more valuable than lockers.

Lastly, I didn't have to add anything to this discussion because I talked to him in person, but thanks for your concern.

FYI, the jeep is a DD that sees mild offroad at most. Curing driveline vibes is a much bigger concern to him than lockers. Answering questions that weren't asked instead of offering advice on things that were asked just shows you are rather close minded and clearly you think you know more than you do. Have a nice day.
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Really? Are you going to cry now? If it sucks so bad then leave. Nobody is begging you to stay.

Regarding the lockers vs SYE; they are completely different modifications that fix and build completely different areas. Yes lockers can give better traction. That's undeniable. However, in day to day driving its not uncommon to have a fair amount of vibrations from 3.5 inches of lift on a TJ and a dropped t-case is a bandaid and not a proper fix. The OP asked about a SYE for a reason. He stated he wanted to now fix it correctly, so where does lockers solve his problem or answer his question? Further, if you want to argue offroad prowess, by raising the t-case back where it should be, he'll be gaining ground clearance which is beneficial offroad. He would also be gaining a much stronger setup with the stronger driveshaft and the stronger rear output on the t-case. It should also be mentioned that raising that t-case back to where it belongs is a huge step for clearance. Assuming a drop of 1.5 inches, that's like going to a 3 inch larger tire! Lockers are great when flexed up, but when the belly is dragging over everything, clearance is more valuable than lockers.

Lastly, I didn't have to add anything to this discussion because I talked to him in person, but thanks for your concern.

FYI, the jeep is a DD that sees mild offroad at most. Curing driveline vibes is a much bigger concern to him than lockers. Answering questions that weren't asked instead of offering advice on things that were asked just shows you are rather close minded and clearly you think you know more than you do. Have a nice day.

Thats awsome what magazine did you get that from??

Yes I did shed a tears or to laughing so hard

First off i was only giving my opinion because any time I am looking at a build I look at function and intended use before just buying parts. So for a vehicle intended for a DD and mild off road use a small t-case drop( if needed for vibrations) with adj. arms and a locker would be far better.

As far as me being close minded and think I know more that I do, it was you who bashed me for giving my opinion, and after reading your post and having a good laugh its clear you buy your rigs not build them and you dont know any where near what you think you do.

Unless you can better explain how losing maybe an inch of under belly clearance, on one of the shortest wheel base, most capable 4x4 ever build, is gonna do you any better off road than a locker, and how if you did high center it a locker would still be better to have plus make the rear axle stronger, you may keep your useless advice and negative comments to yourself.
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Thats awsome what magazine did you get that from??

Yes I did shed a tears or to laughing so hard

First off i was only giving my opinion because any time I am looking at a build I look at function and intended use before just buying parts. So for a vehicle intended for a DD and mild off road use a small t-case drop( if needed for vibrations) with adj. arms and a locker would be far better.

As far as me being close minded and think I know more that I do, it was you who bashed me for giving my opinion, and after reading your post and having a good laugh its clear you buy your rigs not build them and you dont know any where near what you think you do.

Unless you can better explain how losing maybe an inch of under belly clearance, on one of the shortest wheel base, most capable 4x4 ever build, is gonna do you any better off road than a locker, and how if you did high center it a locker would still be better to have plus make the rear axle stronger, you may keep your useless advice and negative comments to yourself.
Damn you got me. I've never turned a wrench. Never even owned a jeep. I drive a Betta but read the mags so regurgitate their info. How did you figure it out?

Just so everyone is clear, this isn't your build or even a build at all. Its a guy who now wants to fix his driveshaft vibes the correct way and nothing more. Therefore, your advice is pointless.

As for the clearance, have you ever wheeled before? I haven't so im not sire but the magazines tell me you are a bit mislead in your understanding. I've seen my buddies jeeps get hung up lots of times and lockers don't help when high centered seeing as that means NONE of the tires have much traction available and all the weight of the vehicle is sitting on the belly. Them again, maybe I didn't read the article in the magazine about lockers giving traction to tires that don't have any traction. I always though the lockers only split power evenly to both sides but again, I've only read it. Maybe my reading comprehension isn't so good, or maybe its yours seeing as NONE OF THIS MATTERS?

Get over yourself. You gave advice that was wrong because you reas into things way too far so I busted your balls. This is a dumb website where guys fukc around. Think of it like trash talking your buddies at the bar. Loosen up and have some fun or guys like me will continue fucking with you. In the meantime, I have some more learning from the magazines to do.
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You must be new to Jeeps.
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You have a lot of spots under your Jeep
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Damn you got me. I've never turned a wrench. Never even owned a jeep. I drive a Betta but read the mags so regurgitate their info. How did you figure it out?

Just so everyone is clear, this isn't your build or even a build at all. Its a guy who now wants to fix his driveshaft vibes the correct way and nothing more. Therefore, your advice is pointless.

As for the clearance, have you ever wheeled before? I haven't so im not sire but the magazines tell me you are a bit mislead in your understanding. I've seen my buddies jeeps get hung up lots of times and lockers don't help when high centered seeing as that means NONE of the tires have much traction available and all the weight of the vehicle is sitting on the belly. Them again, maybe I didn't read the article in the magazine about lockers giving traction to tires that don't have any traction. I always though the lockers only split power evenly to both sides but again, I've only read it. Maybe my reading comprehension isn't so good, or maybe its yours seeing as NONE OF THIS MATTERS?

Get over yourself. You gave advice that was wrong because you reas into things way too far so I busted your balls. This is a dumb website where guys fukc around. Think of it like trash talking your buddies at the bar. Loosen up and have some fun or guys like me will continue fucking with you. In the meantime, I have some more learning from the magazines to do.
you can lead a horse to water.........

im not upset at all i'd buy yah a beer and hash this out for sure, just make sure you can explain to me why high centering a TJ is such a big deal.....fyi you should approach a high center at an angle so that one tire on each axle has contact....wait that only works if you have a locker :)

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yep sitting at 7" of lift with stock drive shafts no sye no bad vibrations and locked front and rear
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