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Old March 30th, 2012, 04:56 PM   #141
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Just something I found. Not 100% on all the info but something to consider. I def know that the picture that the media keeps showing is not that of a 17 year old. And the twitter account.......well that is just badddddd
The picture in the media bias motivational picture is not him. The rest of it looks like a teenager being a dumb teenager. How many toothless redneck teenagers spell poorly and say stupid stuff? Just based on what I see on this site alone, it's a lot. He was walking around with skittles in his pocket, not a gun or a knife.
So the media made him look whiter,so he had some tattoos, so he may have had some gold teeth (I clearly don't see a grill in that picture but even if it it is so what), does it mean he was a thug and needed to die??? I tell Mike and my dogs I am going to kill them all the time, but do I really have an intent?
What would you do if someone was following you and you felt scared? I had a guy following me once who I thought was going to mug me and I started to panic. Luckily someone came around the corner, but what if that dude just wanted to say "you dropped something"? I was already in fight or flight mode.
My main issue with this whole thing is that you will only get to hear one side of the story.
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I dont know but if it was a close range shot (less the a few feet) chances are very good it passed thru
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Old March 30th, 2012, 05:43 PM   #144
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My main issue with this whole thing is that you will only get to hear one side of the story.
And the Liberal Left Media is trying to make it where you only here and see what they want you to hear and see.

Either way there is too many unknowns, and this will get get ugly before its over and done
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You should care! This incident....not the shooting but the fire storm aftermath...shows how racist and divided this country is. I think it shows how quick some very powerful people jump on an incident with few facts to fuel their own agenda's.
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The picture in the media bias motivational picture is not him. The rest of it looks like a teenager being a dumb teenager. How many toothless redneck teenagers spell poorly and say stupid stuff? Just based on what I see on this site alone, it's a lot. He was walking around with skittles in his pocket, not a gun or a knife.
So the media made him look whiter,so he had some tattoos, so he may have had some gold teeth (I clearly don't see a grill in that picture but even if it it is so what), does it mean he was a thug and needed to die??? I tell Mike and my dogs I am going to kill them all the time, but do I really have an intent?
What would you do if someone was following you and you felt scared? I had a guy following me once who I thought was going to mug me and I started to panic. Luckily someone came around the corner, but what if that dude just wanted to say "you dropped something"? I was already in fight or flight mode.
My main issue with this whole thing is that you will only get to hear one side of the story.
If the Media Bias picture isn't him, why is it on his Facebook page?
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Old April 1st, 2012, 04:44 PM   #147
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What is the evidence pointing to an illegal act in this case? Outside of the shooter's tale, nobody saw what happened and every official report that I've heard indicates that his story checks out.
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I dont know but if it was a close range shot (less the a few feet) chances are very good it passed thru
Ehh.... Hard to say. 9mm, let's assume it was a quality JHP round, fired from a sub compact pistol (kel-tec pf9), could easily dump all of its energy inside the target.

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. NBC told the Washington Post that it has launched an internal investigation of the "Today" show's editorial process after its morning show aired an edited conversation between George Zimmerman and a 911 dispatcher recorded moments before the shooting. The investigation came after Fox News and others pointed out that the network spliced two parts of the call together, making it appear as if Zimmerman had said, "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black." In reality, Zimmerman was answering a dispatcher's question:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy--is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.
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What would you do if someone was following you and you felt scared? I had a guy following me once who I thought was going to mug me and I started to panic. Luckily someone came around the corner, but what if that dude just wanted to say "you dropped something"? I was already in fight or flight mode.
My main issue with this whole thing is that you will only get to hear one side of the story.
So your paranoia is the other guys fault and justifies you turning around and attacking him?
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Some enhanced video of the damage to Z"s head

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So your paranoia is the other guys fault and justifies you turning around and attacking him?
If someone is chasing you what would you do? You are either going to run or fight. It is a natural instinct.
Listen I am not saying M was right or Z wasn't justified. I am just saying the media doesn't have enough information for us to judge this clearly.
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Kerry and I made this our discussion for pretty much the duration of our drive from Bay City back down here Saturday...

She apparently has read and researched into this far more than I have, and a lot of the people I've saw posting in here.

I do have to say one thing about the "investigation". From what I know this was a pretty po-dunk kinda down. I grew up in a po-dunk town. I know what the local law enforcement is and isn't capable of. I'd have to say that any balls that were dropped were more than likely from lack of ability, experience, and resources than trying to sweep a racially motivated execution under the carpet. I could well be wrong though...

One of my biggest angers about this whole deal comes from seeing a clip of Oprah playing on the gas station TV Friday. She was proclaiming how the justice system is broken and it has failed and blah blah blah. What exactly was the justice system supposed to do? Immediately go out and lynch Z without a fair trial and due process? Was the system supposed to just take the emotional ball and run with it? Wouldn't everything that hasn't been done like that that leads these people to believe the system is a failure be the same things they complain about when system seems to immediately cast judgement on black criminals?

I don't know if Z was right or wrong. It could well be like the whole OJ thing and he deserves to fry, but may get off. Either way he deserves his fair day in court regardless of how guilty he may seem.
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So your paranoia is the other guys fault and justifies you turning around and attacking him?
If someone is following me why are they following me?

It's probably not to offer me some freshly baked chocolate chip cookies.
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If someone is following me why are they following me?

It's probably not to offer me some freshly baked chocolate chip cookies.
Maybe he saw you leave something on the counter at the store and wants to give it back, or maybe hes a security guard or undercover cop making sure youre not up to no good, or maybe, just maybe, hes not actually following you at all, but just someone who has the misfortune of needing to traverse the same path as you a moment later. None if these justifies you turning around and beating him up because of your paranoia.
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Maybe he saw you leave something on the counter at the store and wants to give it back, or maybe hes a security guard or undercover cop making sure youre not up to no good, or maybe, just maybe, hes not actually following you at all, but just someone who has the misfortune of needing to traverse the same path as you a moment later. None if these justifies you turning around and beating him up because of your paranoia.
Z from his own admission in the audio tapes is clearly chasing after him because he looks suspicious. Someone chasing me isn't me being paranoid. If I am doing nothing wrong and someone is chasing me, I am going to assume that they are going to do something bad to me.
Here's the call if you want to listen to it.
http://bizsecurity.about.com/od/crea...olice-Call.htm
What I see here is that M realizes he is being followed, has a weird look (maybe he's freaked out??? who knows?? maybe he was gonna do something bad.. well he's dead so we can't ask him), he tries to run away and Z continues to pursue him.
If Z had stopped pursuing M why did he say he would tell police where he was when they called? The incident took place in the middle of an apartment complex housing section and not out by the road where he made the 911 call.
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If someone is following me why are they following me?

It's probably not to offer me some freshly baked chocolate chip cookies.
If they follow you, then you run and they run after you, they don't want to do anything bad but are just inspired to exercise like you.
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Z from his own admission in the audio tapes is clearly chasing after him because he looks suspicious. Someone chasing me isn't me being paranoid. If I am doing nothing wrong and someone is chasing me, I am going to assume that they are going to do something bad to me.
Here's the call if you want to listen to it.
http://bizsecurity.about.com/od/crea...olice-Call.htm
What I see here is that M realizes he is being followed, has a weird look (maybe he's freaked out??? who knows?? maybe he was gonna do something bad.. well he's dead so we can't ask him), he tries to run away and Z continues to pursue him.
If Z had stopped pursuing M why did he say he would tell police where he was when they called? The incident took place in the middle of an apartment complex housing section and not out by the road where he made the 911 call.
So if someone is walking behind you going the same direction it's OK to assume the worse and attack them first?
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So if someone is walking behind you going the same direction it's OK to assume the worse and attack them first?
Yes. I make it a policy to turn around guns blazing at anyone following me.



I think what Kerry is assuming is that based on the 911 call Z was antagonizing the youngster.
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