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Old March 27th, 2012, 11:32 AM   #1
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Obama asks for $770 million to help fight global warming over seas. Can this country afford Obama's habit of spending? This is absolutly insane.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obam...rming-overseas
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Old March 27th, 2012, 11:36 AM   #2
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How would you 'fight global warming'?


Earth would cool down pretty well with about 4 billion fewer people on it.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 11:38 AM   #3
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How would you 'fight global warming'?


Earth would cool down pretty well with about 4 billion fewer people on it.
I guess dropping a nuke on Iran would be a start.
Besides what ever man is doing will not drastically effect global warming.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 11:41 AM   #4
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I guess dropping a nuke on Iran would be a start.
Besides what ever man is doing will not drastically effect global warming.
Well, that might induce a nuclear winter.


Why has no one pointed out that as the world population increases, it stresses the environment and resources of the planet. 4 billion extra people breathing creates a large amount of CO2....
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Old March 27th, 2012, 11:45 AM   #5
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Well, that might induce a nuclear winter.


Why has no one pointed out that as the world population increases, it stresses the environment and resources of the planet. 4 billion extra people breathing creates a large amount of CO2....
If we removed China from the map that would take care of a billion people and a hell of a lot of competition for resources. 2 birds, one stone.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 12:20 PM   #6
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Is it up to American tax dollars to help control global warming, which I beleive is only a grab for power and money, or should it be the developing countries doing thier part as we try to do here.
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I do not think we can control global warming without a reduction in population, so- unless our tax dollars are going to go into mass sterilization programs, no.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 12:39 PM   #8
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obama has enough issues to worry about on our own soil,......and has already spent us into a hole we'll never dig out of....put us out of our misery and drop an a-bomb on the us instead and let iran, india, china, europe figure it out
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I am sick of the US being the fix-it man, policeman and mediator for the whole world.

All the while being despised for it.


Fukk em.
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If we removed China from the map that would take care of a billion people and a hell of a lot of competition for resources. 2 birds, one stone.
I actually think if we curbed trade with china and other major pollutors until they cleaned up their environmental policies it could improve the environment.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 01:42 PM   #11
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I actually think if we curbed trade with china and other major pollutors until they cleaned up their environmental policies it could improve the environment.

This.

If we held their manufacturing to the same safety standards, EPA standards, etc that we hold our domestic manufacturers too it would level the playing field and stimulate out economy.....but the greenies don't care when it's not in their backyard, they just want cheap products.
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If we held their manufacturing to the same safety standards, EPA standards, etc that we hold our domestic manufacturers too it would level the playing field and stimulate out economy.....but the greenies don't care when it's not in their backyard, they just want cheap products.
If we held their manufacturing to the same safety standards, EPA standards, etc.. that we hold our domestic manufacturers to it would no longer be feasible to buy shit from them.

A robotic transfer system is a hell of a lot more expensive than 6 guys making $.02/hr sitting in a press hand transferring parts.

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If we held their manufacturing to the same safety standards, EPA standards, etc that we hold our domestic manufacturers too it would level the playing field and stimulate out economy.....but the greenies don't care when it's not in their backyard, they just want cheap products.
Those greenies are horribly short sighted and probably haven't traveled. The worst pollution I have seen anywhere in the states can't hold a candle to China. People see the news clips of China with the little dust masks people wear and probably think it's because of the bird flu. The air quality is horrible and the rivers are polluted. There is nothing being done to curb the pollution. The air and the water all mingle so eventually the pollution will find it's way to our side of the globe. We shouldn't take the money we borrowed to give them a grant to fix their issue. If we can hold our own industry to environmental standards the government environmental agencies should start to hold imported products to those same standards. I agree also it would help the economy. I am all for free trade but it should be free and fair trade.
I am also all frothed up because they don't hold the production processes to the same standards as the US. How many times to do we have to hear about our pets dying and our kids getting lead poisoning before people wake up. The pet food kidney failure with products made in china is starting to be an issue again. I think it's scary that we feed our animals, children and selves crap that is made in China.
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We should fight ghosts, bigfoot, and the chupacabra while we are at it.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 02:16 PM   #15
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We should fight ghosts, bigfoot, and the chupacabra while we are at it.
private industry takes care of that
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If we held their manufacturing to the same safety standards, EPA standards, etc.. that we hold our domestic manufacturers to it would no longer be feasible to buy shit from them.

A robotic transfer system is a hell of a lot more expensive than 6 guys making $.02/hr sitting in a press hand transferring parts.
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Don't worry NAFTA has made the trade fair.

I could do without dollar stores and cheap shit I don't need anyways. I sure wish we could enforce China and all the other countries like it to enforce the same environmental rules etc.. that we have to follow.

And, I wish Obama had to give up $.01 for every $10,000 he spends on stupid shit. His debt would be pretty big also (just like our nations).
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So is this money goign to go to some form of Sun cooling device? A Giant shade umbrella for the whole Planet? Because I'm pretty sure the #1 cause for the "global Warming" is the Sun. I would agree that Population increase and Pollution increase would be right there too.

IMO, making China adhere to our manufacturing standards would be murder for our country's economy at first. I could understand it making things better in the long wrong but We get just about everything from them. Even if we banned things from China that were not our standard how long do you think it woudl take for us to become self sufficient? I don't think we could anymore because we're so used to the market we're in now. Not to mention if we ban China's Goods how well do you think that is going to sit with all the other countries we sell thigns too? Most of them hate us already.
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So is this money goign to go to some form of Sun cooling device? A Giant shade umbrella for the whole Planet? Because I'm pretty sure the #1 cause for the "global Warming" is the Sun. I would agree that Population increase and Pollution increase would be right there too.

IMO, making China adhere to our manufacturing standards would be murder for our country's economy at first. I could understand it making things better in the long wrong but We get just about everything from them. Even if we banned things from China that were not our standard how long do you think it woudl take for us to become self sufficient? I don't think we could anymore because we're so used to the market we're in now. Not to mention if we ban China's Goods how well do you think that is going to sit with all the other countries we sell thigns too? Most of them hate us already.
I wasn't even thinking banning but tariffs would be nice. We could take the money from the tariffs and pay back our loans. The tariffs would let the goods still be available and make the american made products more comparable in price. :D
Now some people would bitch because they would have to pay more for their stuff.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 08:50 PM   #19
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Doesn't China do something with thier money to deflate it? And make the US dollar seem better.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 09:21 PM   #20
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If you believe that global warning is largely a result of human activity, and that we should spend money to try to prevent it, it make perfect sense to spend that money wherever on the planet you think will have the biggest impact. It's a global problem, so it need a global solution. We could be everything possible in the USA to try to fix it, but it wouldn't do any good if the rest of the people on the planet keep doing the things that cause it. I doesn't matter where on the globe you fight it when were all on the same globe.

Now if you on't believe that it's a man made problem, then you're right, it makes no sense to fight it, here or anywhere.
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