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Old March 27th, 2012, 07:00 AM   #21
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Once again Jim uses facts and logic as opposed to the back woods racism that 98.6745% of this site uses.
The problem I see with this whole current ongoing debate about racism is that its a two way street and for some reason everyone seems to want to pretend like that other lane doesn't exist.

White guy doesn't get a job, he wasn't qualified.
Black guy doesn't get a job, it's racist.

White kid doesn't get into a college, he wasn't smart enough.
Black kid doesn't get into a college, the tests were racist and we change them.

Cops beat the fukc out of a white guy, he probably deserved it.
Cops beat the fukc out of a black guy, it's racist.

Black guy kills a white guy, it's unfortunate.
White guy kills a black guy, it's racist.

and on and on and on...

Racism does exist and to an extreme for a lot of people ON BOTH sides of the coin. There are blacks, whites, mexicans, asians, arabs, etc... that all hate the other races enough to bias their decisions on that alone. That is what it is, always has been, and probably always will be.

It's a shame that some kid is dead. It's a shame he put himself in a situation like that. It's a shame the watchman guy ruined his life. It's a shame the watchman made very poor decisions no matter what color the person was on the other side of the gun.
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So Zimmerman was probably trying to ward off crime in his mind. Whether it was right or not to follow someone, who knows. Should Zimmerman have been attacked violently for that though?
If it's late at night, and you're a kid, alone, and some guy starts stalking after you and you're freaked out, do you think that you might lash out at that person? Fight or flight.


Also I submit that if Travyon was not black, Zimmerman wouldn't have called nor followed after him and shot him. There was a pattern in the calls Zimmerman was placing before the shooting. He had placed multiple calls to report "black men" in the neighborhood because he felt they fit the description of burglars. So is Travyon's race a reason for the shooting happening, I think so yes.
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It's a shame that some kid is dead. It's a shame he put himself in a situation like that. It's a shame the watchman guy ruined his life. It's a shame the watchman made very poor decisions no matter what color the person was on the other side of the gun.
What situation did Travyon put himself in? Being followed by the creepy neighborhood watch guy?
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Old March 27th, 2012, 07:05 AM   #24
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He called 911, not the cops. The 911 operator directed him not to follow, which he is not legally obligated to do.

I heard that while on the phone he had lost sight of Trayvon. Something happened in between that time, and then Zimmerman was getting back to his truck when he was attacked by Trayvon. Trayvon was apparently on top of Zimmerman when he shot and killed Trayvon. From this point of view it wasn't Zimmerman who did the confronting.

So Zimmerman was probably trying to ward off crime in his mind. Whether it was right or not to follow someone, who knows. Should Zimmerman have been attacked violently for that though?

If that is what happened, then in my mind it is justified.

Granted, the facts are so twisted who knows what happened.
Yeah it seems like there is a big lack of facts.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/25...rtin-shooting-
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Does it matter who started the fight? If Zimmerman did go looking for a fight does that change anything? He shoots after he is getting his ass kicked, brocken nose and cut on the back of his head. Maybe he seen a small kid and thought that he could hold him for the cops? Kid fights back and starts to win. Can someone with a gun start a fight?

I get that if he just stays in his car, Martin does not die.
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NOT saying this fits Zimmerman's mindset, but I have seen it when a neighborhood watch program was started in my area:

There are some individuals that participate in neighborhood watch that are 'cop wannbes'. Heard a few of these individuals talking after the meeting about how they couldn't wait to catch a break-in in progress, so the cops could 'hose down what's left of the perp'.

At this point I decided I wanted nothing to do with neighborhood watch.
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not enough facts, but plenty of plausible what ifs.
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The mom is now trying to trade mark his name?
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Old March 27th, 2012, 09:01 AM   #29
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I find it funny how the last few weeks the media has demonized Zimmerman, and make it sound like he killed him in cold blood. Now it is coming out that witnesses seen Martin on zimmerman beating his head in, and the fact that Zimmerman was bloodied and bruised when the police arrived. But up until today none of that was told, and I still haven't seen it on mainstream new yet. what are your thought. I think Zimmerman should be prosecuted if he killed him without being attacked, I also think that he will not get a fair trial, or ever live a good life after due to media wanting to make it look like the bad white man killed the innocent black kid, and only reporting half the facts.

Zimmerman stalked Martin through the neighborhood in the dark, you can hear him mutter "fuckin coons" iin the 911 call and has a long history of a wanna-be vigilante.

If you're out minding our own business and some weird fack confronts you - and probably not in the best language, or pushes you - you won't feel the need to defend yourself?

Zimmerman went out with that handgun looking for a fight.
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He had placed multiple calls to report "black men" in the neighborhood because he felt they fit the description of burglars. So is Travyon's race a reason for the shooting happening, I think so yes.
And what if they really were? I know if groups of black people started hanging out in my neighborhood it would be suspicious as fukc . Its mostly white with a few asians. If black people started roaming the block, I would sure as fukc be curious as to what there up to.

Whos to say he wasnt using there skin color as a description and nothing more?
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Zimmerman stalked Martin through the neighborhood in the dark, you can hear him mutter "fuckin coons" iin the 911 call and has a long history of a wanna-be vigilante.

If you're out minding our own business and some weird fack confronts you - and probably not in the best language, or pushes you - you won't feel the need to defend yourself?

Zimmerman went out with that handgun looking for a fight.
So it's ok to respond to a verbal confrontation with physical assault?

Is there any proof that The Z-hole did anything to this kid beside possibly call him a "fuckin coon" and shoot him?
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Old March 27th, 2012, 09:13 AM   #32
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Whos to say he wasnt using there skin color as a description and nothing more?
Because our pussified, PC society has made speaking of skin color an immediate racist remark.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 09:18 AM   #33
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If Z confronted the kid, seems like the fault would be on him.
If Z was headed back to his car and the kid chased him down, it would be self defense.
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If Z confronted the kid, seems like the fault would be on him.
If Z was headed back to his car and the kid chased him down, it would be self defense.
Since we are playing the what if game.

What if Z confronted the kid and said, "Are you the little "insert racial slur here" breaking into houses?"(not the right thing to do, wrong to talk shit, but nothing illegal about that to my knowledge). Kid then proceeds to beat Z's ass(illegal, assault) and depending on what kind of pussy Z is could be considered a threat to his life. Z, fearing for his life shoots the kid.(legal in the state of michigan at least to use deadly force).

To me that seems like criminally he would be not guilty, but probably opens up for a wrongful death civil lawsuit?

Now, what if Z confronted the kid and said, "Are you the little "insert racial slur here" breaking into houses?", and tried to physically restrain him(seems like we are talking some assault there). The kid defends himself, pulls away, etc... Then a scuffle breaks out. Z goes pussy mode and pops the kid.

To me that seems like that may end up being murder because he initiated the altercation.

Wit no witnesses, it seems to come down to the story of Z and a dead kid.

Either way, at this point, given the current facts, or rather lack thereof, I'd imagine a jury is going to have a hard time convicting him beyond a reasonable doubt. If that happens I'm pretty sure that town is going to burn...
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What situation did Travyon put himself in? Being followed by the creepy neighborhood watch guy?
The situation was being wherever he was to cause this guy concern. Maybe this guy was a psycho, maybe he wasn't. Maybe Trayvon was a thug look alike peering in car windows, maybe he was just a kid walking down the street eating his Skittles.

I wasn't brought up to be a bleeding heart liberal so I don't automatically assume this kid was completely innocent.

I was 17 once. I wasn't an angel. When I was a kid there was no, "wrong place wrong time" being coincidental. If I was near enough to some shit going down I was likely involved somehow. Most often my parents were right. When I got blamed for something that happened it was because my actions up to that point opened the door for a somewhat legit accusation. So I know what its like to be 17 years old and not be completely innocent.

I also know what its like to be a homeowner and adult that has had to deal with petty bullshit that the kids in your neighborhood are capable of. I know what its like to look at a group of kids and wonder if they are the ones that took shit from my truck, etc...

Either way there is no reason this kid should be dead and based on the current info I think its a bit too soon to crucify Z.
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The was a unfortunate incident, no one here knows all the facts.

The only racist thing that is going on with this whole thing is Rev Al and Rev Jesse are using it as a stepping stone to further separate the races involved.

The media is making a circus out of this, and for the love of god stop show him as a 12 year little kid. If you want people to know who these 2 are by showing pictures show current ones.


Where is the public outrage from the White kid getting set on fire by 3 black kids a few weeks ago in Kansas city??? No Protest, only a blimp on the news channel, so I guess it must be ok?? Where is Rev Al and Rev Jesse and the New Black Panther Party on this one, if the KKK got a rally going it would be all over the news and It would be classified as RACIST and everyone here knows it, even the 1.3% frontwood non-racist would know it.
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Either way there is no reason this kid should be dead
You don't know that.
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You don't know that.
Very good point.
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Does it matter who started the fight? If Zimmerman did go looking for a fight does that change anything? He shoots after he is getting his ass kicked, brocken nose and cut on the back of his head. Maybe he seen a small kid and thought that he could hold him for the cops? Kid fights back and starts to win. Can someone with a gun start a fight?

I get that if he just stays in his car, Martin does not die.
From what I've heard, the "Small kid" is supposed to be 6'0" and 200lbs now.
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