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Old March 21st, 2012, 02:11 PM   #1
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It's time for me to step up to a dually for my transport business. I don't really "need" to, but with my new gooseneck trailer I think it will look better and be more stable. After much thought and contemplation I decided it would make more sense to just convert my current truck. It is a 1997 12 valve Cummins 5 speed extended cab 2wd, with only 515,000 miles on it. I know this truck inside and out, it treats me right, and I like it. Here she is at work:



Purusing Craigslist snagged me this 1995 Dodge 3500 Dually V-10 automatic 4x4 with only 117,000 miles that runs and drives great. Gears were same (3.55) but the dually has a powerlock :)



The plan is to swap everything I want from the gasser to my truck and visa-versa. Then (hopefully) sell the 4x4 V-10 truck.

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Dually axle is out, I will be swapping into the V-10 truck the srw dana 70 from my old 95 cummins shop truck. I'm keeping the SRW dana 80 from my current tow rig. The dana 70 has a powerlock locker and is also 3.55 geared.

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in the eyes of the law you didnt up the gvw at all?
that trailer loaded heavy puts you over gvw, possibly even over gvcw.
why not swap the diesel into the dually and be legal?
on a commercial truck it matters. non-commercial it matters only to the insurance company.
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in the eyes of the law you didnt up the gvw at all?
i know that trailer with 2 cars/trucks on it puts you over gvw, possibly even gvcw.
why not swap the diesel into the dually and be legal?
GVWR stays the same on the truck which is 8,800. Gross vechicle combined weight is not rated by the truck, it is rated by the truck rating added to the trailer rating, which is seperate. I am currently licenced under 26,001 combined rating, which means I can legally tow a trailer with a 17,200 rating with my truck. The dually is rated at 10,500, so I would be stuck with only being able to tow a trailer with a 15,500 rating, which would be a loss.

Having a high gvwr on the truck only makes sense if you are hauling heavy loads in the truck. Higher GVWR limits trailer selection.

Being that the weight I haul is mostly in the trailer, it actually benefits me to have a lesser rated truck with a higher rated trailer. The truck never weighs more than 8,800 loaded, so I'm good.

Plus, I don't want a 4x4 and my family of four doesn't fit in a regular cab.

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i get the commercial gvcw 26k rating.

how do you stay under 8.8k gvw? im always over my 8.8k gvw.
whats that trailer weigh? steel i assume?
i thought diesel club cab long beds were heavier than that i guess.
2wd is lighter and less complicated for sure.

how well does it tow with that stake truck on the back of the trailer?
tail wag the dog much?

i have a super cab ford and yes the back seat is just for storage mostly.
people dont fit, and hate it mostly.
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i get the commercial gvcw 26k rating.

how do you stay under 8.8k gvw? im always over my 8.8k gvw.
whats that trailer weigh? steel i assume?
i thought diesel club cab long beds were heavier than that i guess.
2wd is lighter and less complicated for sure.

how well does it tow with that stake truck on the back of the trailer?
tail wag the dog much?

i have a super cab ford and yes the back seat is just for storage mostly.
people dont fit, and hate it mostly.
That dual trailer was actually a freinds. I don't recall the specs of it, but we were legal. With that load it towed perfectly. 55-60 mph no problem. I was actually very surprised. The back seat room on the Dodge is pretty good. My kids tell me they like it better than my wifes Durango or my Cherokee. I'm sure once they are bigger I'll have to look at a crew cab again. I wouldn't mind swapping a Cummins into a superduty.
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The dana 70 bolted into the 3500 with no issue and moves again under its own power. Driveshaft bolted up with plenty of spline engagement.

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Boys and Girls, say no to bed liners! This is what they do:



I basically have till tomorrow to decide whether to patch the holes in this bed, or swap the flares onto mine. My bed is rust free inside and out, but has lots of dents. And swapping flares risks damaging them or not getting them lined up right and secure as the factory did.
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lgottler came over and helped me remove the dually bed. Thanks again Lucas!

Us two did the job of 4 guys, and I now have less skin on my shin

Bed is in my shop on jackstands waiting to be patched. I decided it would be better than swapping flares.

Fun note! Bedless V-10 SRW dodges break the rear tires loose easy!
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Looks nice keith, I might need u to get me some tires in missouri lol
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For the front I almost used the factory adapters from the 4x4. They would have worked, but would have made servicing the bearings a real pain. So, I bought the correct 2wd 3500 assemblys and bolted them on. Kinda sucks, because I just bought new front rotors a few months ago! Anyone want to buy a set of barely used 2500 rotors :D

One observation I made was that the 3500 rotors are near 1/4 thicker than 2500 rotors. They fit fine with no binding , but with new pads the sliders are almost maxed out.

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dually=no more 30mpg
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Probably We'll know soon though, I'll be driving this to Florida in a little over a week, bed will be full, no trailer on way down for now.
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Front fully converted, axle is next.

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First "surprise" of project. I'll be getting a new one tomorrow. Previous owner must have done driver side in past, it looks new.

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Here is the bed from my truck that will be going on the gasser (for sale). It was a replacement and is 100% rust free, even the bottom side.

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First "surprise" of project. I'll be getting a new one tomorrow. Previous owner must have done driver side in past, it looks new.

Looks like the driver side has a hole? Unless it's a Right side drive

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Dodge and great do not belong in the same sentence.
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Looks like the driver side has a hole? Unless it's a Right side drive
:) yep, pass side :) was previously done. This project is kicking my butt!
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On way to parts stores for new rear u-bolts, one shackle, and shocks.
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The diesel stripped of all her old stuff.

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