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Old March 16th, 2012, 08:59 AM   #381
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Yeah, I'm still not sure what this all has to do with Obama supporters.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 10:49 AM   #382
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Look, when someone says "statistically", then they need to be able to back it up. Don't call my beliefs rediculous when you have nothing more than your own opinion to counter it. I have not called anyone names or called their beliefs stupid or rediculous. It amazes me when the non believers say things like "you have no proof" and "cite me the proof" as a strong anti arguement and then want to use the word "statistacally" with no proof either.

Is there life outside this universe? I wouldn't doubt it, but I challenges someone to prove it with something more than an article written by some mad scientist.
What Mike said. My choice of words around midnight weren't the best I admit. Mathematically probablity should have been the words I used.

What I'm saying is that we do not know the size of the universe. It's infinite, and our technology has not advanced to the point where we have discovered life or know the limits of it within our universe.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 11:39 AM   #383
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>snip<... You weren't baptised in a Catholic church but yet you take communion here? Correct. THE ASSHOLES ALL TURNED AND WALKED AWAY FROM ME. HYPOCRITES IN MY MIND! By their reaction, they told me that I wasn't good enough for their men's club. I never went back to that church except for specific things like weddings.

So, actually to Hancho's point, the bible is there to be interpreted. To me, if a person believes in the above, where, when, how they were saved, baptized, etc, is all a moot point. To me, it's if you believe in the principal.

All of the rituals, stand up, sit down, kneel, sing are all versions of what a particular denomination has deemed "proper". This is my frustration with any religion today. But, back to my point, when I ponder life, earth, and how everything fits together, I truely believe that it didn't just evolve. Therefore, as others have said, I have "FAITH".
I totally agree. This is why I also have a very hard time with so many claimed represetitives of the "correct" christianity.

Even somthing as "non-christian" as evolution being the deal breaker for faith or no faith, God or no God, makes me absolutly nuts.

This is a REALY good read if anybody is interested in how Science and Theology can work hand in hand.

www.findingdarwinsgod.com

How's that for a total derailment of the original thread?
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Old March 16th, 2012, 11:58 AM   #384
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What Mike said. My choice of words around midnight weren't the best I admit. Mathematically probablity should have been the words I used.

What I'm saying is that we do not know the size of the universe. It's infinite, and our technology has not advanced to the point where we have discovered life or know the limits of it within our universe.
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1) Your arguement still has no merit. You, nor anyone else on this planet have any knowledge of what lies beyond the universe. It could be a black hole, it could be thriving with life. Therefore, at best, you have a 50% chance of being right.

2) Anyone who demands proof of something that they do not believe in, while spouting their own beliefs without proof, must admit that the other person "may" be right, and therefore, each individual's beliefs are based soley on their "faith" in what is right or wrong. Quite frankly, LC4X has provided a much better level of proof than you have.
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1) Your arguement still has no merit. You, nor anyone else on this planet have any knowledge of what lies beyond the universe. It could be a black hole, it could be thriving with life. Therefore, at best, you have a 50% chance of being right.

2) Anyone who demands proof of something that they do not believe in, while spouting their own beliefs without proof, must admit that the other person "may" be right, and therefore, each individual's beliefs are based soley on their "faith" in what is right or wrong. Quite frankly, LC4X has provided a much better level of proof than you have.
I hear ya, but don't really care. I'm not on a religious mission trying to convert people to Atheism, so I don't need to prove to others what my beliefs are. Christians however always have to do this to explain not only the lunacy, but to force others through "peaceful conversion" so their religion survives.

I am just fine with believing that there is no explanation for why we're here. I'm ok with believing it's a random act of events. Religions throughout history have always created stories, beliefs, etc. to explain the world around them. Science continues to disprove those beliefs over the centuries humans have been around. Christianity is no different.
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But your qualifier is that he believes in (your) God. Why would his religious position dictate your vote? We need qualified leaders who are effective, not talking heads telling you what you want to hear to get elected.
I could really care less for the most part BUT IF the person did have my faith I'd rather it be Genuine then being a "Sunday Christian". I honestly believe that God puts people into authority for a reason. Most of what I vote on tries to line up with my beliefs. There's nothing wrong with that is there?

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here is the thing...his message is open to interpretation, just like many other things we as Americans hold sacred. The Constitution for example, moreover the 2nd amendment...and as the bible is left open for interpretation; there will differences in beliefs and what is meant by God's Words. Look at belief systems. The Bible didn't change; people's perceptions of it did.

Examples, Some people interpret passages of the Bible literally as the Word of God, others interpret passages of the Bible as a historical document, some as midrash and still others as folklore. How do people that take the Bible as the literal Word of God apply to todayís life and society? The answer is you canít, you have to draw on similarities and apply them to todayís life and struggles, hence interpretation.
People that take the word of God literally can and do apply it to life today. That is by knowing the context and understanding what the author was saying to the audience and why. That's called Apologetics.

If you have a problem with what I say, counter it with what you believe. Use Scripture. That's all I do. "This is what I've come to believe" ________.


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True. Actually a huge issue with me. A littel back history. I was raised Methodist and Baptist. My wife is Catholic. When my kids were young, I agreed to attend a Catholic church and have them go to catychism, so we started to go weekly to the Saturday evening mass. After a few weeks, at the coffee hour afterwards, I was approached by a group of men, I would guess 6 or 7 and they asked me if I was interested in joining the men's club. Discussion insued. They asked where I was from and I told them locally all my life. Well then, where did you go to church? I told them. You mean you're not CATHOLIC? No, not by upbringing but I believe in God, Jesus, communion, etc. You weren't baptised in a Catholic church but yet you take communion here? Correct. THE ASSHOLES ALL TURNED AND WALKED AWAY FROM ME. HYPOCRITES IN MY MIND! By their reaction, they told me that I wasn't good enough for their men's club. I never went back to that church except for specific things like weddings.

So, actually to Hancho's point, the bible is there to be interpreted. To me, if a person believes in the above, where, when, how they were saved, baptized, etc, is all a moot point. To me, it's if you believe in the principal.
Jesus didn't say "I am the way the truth and the light no man comes to me except through the father, but you have to get full submersion baptized, must be part of the Catholic church, ETC".

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All of the rituals, stand up, sit down, kneel, sing are all versions of what a particular denomination has deemed "proper". This is my frustration with any religion today. But, back to my point, when I ponder life, earth, and how everything fits together, I truely believe that it didn't just evolve. Therefore, as others have said, I have "FAITH".
We have Mcdonalds, BK's, Taco Bells, ETC and I don't see why that would be different in churches.
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Why did Oblahblah veto the gas pipeline?
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Why did Oblahblah veto the gas pipeline?
To drive the future markets higher and raise crude prices now; this fall, he will release some of the federal crude oil reserve to give the citizens relief from high gas prices.

He will be a hero to the stupid.

He will be reelected.

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To drive the future markets higher and raise crude prices now; this fall, he will release some of the federal crude oil reserve to give the citizens relief from high gas prices.

He will be a hero to the stupid.

He will be reelected.

I will achieve complete and total alcoholism.
If he gets re-elected, I'm comming over to drink. I'll bring the beer.
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If he gets re-elected, I'm comming over to drink. I'll bring the beer.
Deal. We'll have to hang out in a dirty garage around project dujour, but I think you're okay with that.
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To drive the future markets higher and raise crude prices now; this fall, he will release some of the federal crude oil reserve to give the citizens relief from high gas prices.

He will be a hero to the stupid.

He will be reelected.

I will achieve complete and total alcoholism.
I think this will happen too. People are too stupid to realize that it would be a manipulation and they would likely re-elect him as their gas buddy hero.
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recent reports I heard are that gas will jump 20-30 cents in the next few weeks for the winter/summer switch over, and then continue to slowly fall throughout summer....we'll see.
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Deal. We'll have to hang out in a dirty garage around project dujour, but I think you're okay with that.
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