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Old March 7th, 2012, 04:01 PM   #141
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I would really like to know. How did government get bigger under Obama. Please do tell me.

This is one of the main talking points for the anti Obama so anyone please tell me.
In a nut shell, my understanding is that "big government" is a term associated with the concept of wealth re-distribution, something that conservatives (like me) don't think fondly of. Something that President Obama has been a fan off, as long as it isn't his wealth, (another double standard form the elite) I could have misunderstood, and if so, please someone correct me.

Now, I don't think fondly if it because I don't want what money I have to bust my ass for go to someone that doesn't work at all, or contribute to this nation, and worse live more comfortable than meedit here, I contradicted myself embarrassingly enough, I really don't care that others live more comfortable than me, It is the fact that their false sense of entitlement, clouds whatever judgement they expound on others thus making this society a less than savory place to live in.....all....., while they are not working.

But, believe it or not, more important to me, I don't want anyone's help. My family and I will make it on our own with out the assistance of anyone other than my GOD. We do this because we make a concerted effort to live within our means, and are proud of what we have accomplished and are appreciative beyond words for what we have been provided. If I need something and don't have the money for it, I sell something that has been provided to me, to make the expense affordable. I am not so attached to my tangible items that I will not part with them to make ends meet. So now that I spouted off about my personal opinion on this stuff bring on the flame throwers......

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Old March 7th, 2012, 05:07 PM   #142
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In a nut shell, my understanding is that "big government" is a term associated with the concept of wealth re-distribution, something that conservatives (like me) don't think fondly of. Something that President Obama has been a fan off, as long as it isn't his wealth, (another double standard form the elite) I could have misunderstood, and if so, please someone correct
I don't see how you made this jump from big gov to wealth re-distribution.
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Old March 7th, 2012, 05:21 PM   #143
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I don't see how you made this jump from big gov to wealth re-distribution.
Again, to submit my impression on what I have briefly read and heard about "Big Government" is the following: One of the defining characteristics of big government is developing programs for the public. Where this goes from all great and grand, to hell in a hand basket is that the government has not the money to implement said programs unless they tax the incomes of people that do not necessarily need said programs. Thus specifically a re-distribution of wealth.

Now I don't pretend that I know all things governmental for one minute, and have made the disclaimer numerous times, that the info I write is a representation of what I have read and heard with momentary lapses into my opinions.

So I make the request again, please ....Anyone that has a grasp on the differences of this subject and/or the many others that have been touched upon in this thread.....please come forward with facts that are irrefutable so the masses can be officially informed and therefor educated.
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I do understand about taxes go to programes for the public. That is what taxes are for. And I do understand that not everyone pays taxes. I would like to know how Obama made it worse than pre 2008. What policy Obama has implemented that would cause government to grow. It just seems to me that some people say Obama is the cause but not back it up.


Thank you toast for for your input. I'm not trying to be difficult here but this goes back to the original question. What has Obama done or hasn't done to deserve to be re-elected.
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Old March 7th, 2012, 06:36 PM   #145
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Sorry, that was not my intent. The bold parts in your quote were the points I pulled out to understand.

My point is that it seems you want a lot of things from heath care. AND, those "wants" don't seem to match the arguments you provide against your perception of Obamas plan.
Ok No problem.
Not nesassarily my wants but wants for the people that do not have or can't afford coverage. I pay for my own coverage and the rates have more than doubled in the past 10 years. I have excellent coverage and glad I do.
What Obama wants is to force his idea of the ulimate healthcare for everybody at the cost to taxpayers.
If the people of this country had a work ethic and the manufacturing to keep people working I think you would see more bodies wanting to work as opposed to a handout.
The more bodies working could mean more people paying for and having healthcare coverage.
There will always be people that cannot work for health reasons and need to be cared for in one way or another but I'm sure there are alot of people out there that feel they are entitled to something for nothing.
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Old March 7th, 2012, 06:55 PM   #146
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I do understand about taxes go to programes for the public. That is what taxes are for. (I just meant more taxes than what we are currently paying) And I do understand that not everyone pays taxes. I would like to know how Obama made it worse than pre 2008. Well I guess I am wrong but I thought that his claim, just like every other false claim was to reduce the deficit, reduce taxes all while improving the over all situation of the country What policy Obama has implemented that would cause government to grow. It isn't that programs have been implemented yet, but the writing is on the wall based on his intentions, especially when we are out of money. How could he possibility pay for these proposed programs if he's out of money? Take a guess.It just seems to me that some people say Obama is the cause but not back it up. If I made the statement that he did "x" and "x" then I would be wrong. I mentioned many posts ago that no matter who got that job for the current term was going to be fighting an uphill battle. "Big Government" when it becomes big government perpetuates it self.


Thank you toast for for your input. I'm not trying to be difficult here but this goes back to the original question. What has Obama done or hasn't done to deserve to be re-elected.
His changes that he said he was going to make, if he has in fact made them, have not improved on a system that needs so much improvement. Any small legitimate improvement for the good of the nation would make the argument for the current president a strong one, no matter who it was

So yes the question is "What has he done?" Nothing that I can tell and its time to take a different approach, in my very humble opinion.


Let it be known, if it isn't already painfully obvious, that I know as much as I need to to sound like I am full of caca. So, (like usual) in very interested in learning more about this so when asked I can form a more informed and better educated opinion.
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I found what Obama has done. It's actually alot, not good stuff but alot.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_has_P...ma_done_so_far
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I heard that the Hannity show on FOX tonight is going to air a couple of vids that may bring to light a few thing that may shine on President Obama in a not so nice a fashion. I am going to watch for educational purposes and....I promise I won't reference any of this tomorrow in my posts................umyea
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I heard that the Hannity show on FOX tonight is going to air a couple of vids that may bring to light a few thing that may shine on President Obama in a not so nice a fashion
It would be nice if msnbc, abc and cnn would air it.
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It would be nice if msnbc, abc and cnn would air it.
It would also be nice if an Atlas 4-speed transfer case would magically appear in my garage tonight. But this too is not reality.
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It would also be nice if an Atlas 4-speed transfer case would magically appear in my garage tonight. But this too is not reality.
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Old March 7th, 2012, 08:51 PM   #152
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I had to borrow one if your brain cells for it too, because as you out it you're incredibly smarter than I am. You also own more stuff, and you have tools, the stuff and tools put you so much further ahead in life than myself that im not even sure how to post anymore.
I was impressed that you contributed to a thread in an intelligent manner. Almost all of your posts are negative in context and you do a lot of name calling. Why you decided to target me for a medical condition I did not ask for not do I enjoy having, I don't know. I guy on this site gets cancer and everybody rallies around to support him (nothing wrong with that), but I come out with my condition and a few select individuals feel the need to take personal stabs at me about it. I refuse to feel ashamed of my condition and don't feel the need to hide it. I was offered full disability because of it but I turned it down. At least give a guy credit for trying to pull his own weight in society even when he was handed a golden ticket to fukc off the rest of his life.

Now if you wanna play nice, I'm cool with that, if not, I can dish out the insults just as well as anybody else around here.

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I was impressed that you contributed to a thread in an intelligent manner. Almost all of your posts are negative in context and you do a lot of name calling. Why you decided to target me for a medical condition I did not ask for not do I enjoy having, I don't know. I guy on this site gets cancer and everybody rallies around to support him (nothing wrong with that), but I come out with my condition and a few select individuals feel the need to take personal stabs at me about it. I refuse to feel ashamed of my condition and don't feel the need to hide it. I was offered full disability because of it but I turned it down. At least give a guy credit for trying to pull his own weight in society even when he was handed a golden ticket to fukc off the rest of his life.

Now if you wanna play nice, I'm cool with that, if not, I can dish out the insults just as well as anybody else around here.

Your move.
I am sorry that there was a comment that was off-color directed towards you. And from what you wrote, I applaud your character displayed in your choice not to take what ever the assistance was that was offered to you. But maybe, the better platform to discuss this would be a p.m. to the one that offended you, instead of a thread that has proven so far to be a bit of miracle for this forum. An apology can be lost in the rhetoric that can be generously dished out on here.
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I am sorry that there was a comment that was off-color directed towards you. And from what you wrote, I applaud your character displayed in your choice not to take what ever the assistance was that was offered to you. But maybe, the better platform to discuss this would be a p.m. to the one that offended you, instead of a thread that has proven so far to be a bit of miracle for this forum. An apology can be lost in the rhetoric that can be generously dished out on here.
Observe my post count, not my first rodeo.

I'm pretty sure it's written in the general rules somewhere that all dirty laundry must be aired in public. The Mods have been informed about this thread and they are seriously alarmed at the lack of douchbaggery lately. An emergency call has been made to Steveo and his paging beacon turned on (a 600' Goatse in the sky).

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"Observe my post count, not my first rodeo."

Ok. 11k + posts. Cool.

I have an orange cat that weighs 30 lbs, his name is Sunny.....and we can file that under "so what" too.

Now that we got all of that out of the way, I was trying to subtlety and nicely suggest moving what could potentially de-rail a great thread, to a p.m. platform. That's all.

My goal is not to twist anybody up on this thread. And yes I too can be vindictive if it calls for it, put prefer not to be.

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I would really like to know. How did government get bigger under Obama. Please do tell me.

This is one of the main talking points for the anti Obama so anyone please tell me.
Several ways.

Regulation- This administration has added a pile of new regulations on private business.

Financing- Billions spent (wasted) on green energy and bailouts, nothing but added burden on taxpayers.

Hiring- Paying more people to handle the new regulations and departments for failed policies.

And we haven't even begun to scratch the surface of Obamacare.

There are more things I would like to contribute to this thread but I'm too tired tonight.
Reading a few things the Obama supporters have said on this topic is just sad. You really have no idea who this man truly is or what he is trying to do to this country.
You could write a short novel on the justice department alone. Before even getting in to the economic policy.

On the original question, we are ALL worse off, even if you are making more money now. Rich, poor, doesn't matter. The dollar is getting you much less now and will only get worse.

As for unemployment numbers, if we would just go back to the method used when obama took office we are at 11%. But if the government doesn't like the results, just change the rules to suit your needs.

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Several ways.

Regulation- This administration has added a pile of new regulations on private business.

Financing- Billions spent (wasted) on green energy and bailouts, nothing but added burden on taxpayers.

Hiring- Paying more people to handle the new regulations and departments for failed policies.

And we haven't even begun to scratch the surface of Obamacare.

There are more things I would like to contribute to this thread but I'm too tired tonight.
Reading a few things the Obama supporters have said on this topic is just sad. You really have no idea who this man truly is or what he is trying to do to this country.
You could write a short novel on the justice department alone. Before even getting in to the economic policy.
my point is that this is rhederic and opinion, not facts. Wiky answer is not a credible site because I can add just about anything I want to that list true or not.
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On the original question, we are ALL worse off, even if you are making more money now. Rich, poor, doesn't matter. The dollar is getting you much less now and will only get worse.

As for unemployment numbers, if we would just go back to the method used when obama took office we are at 11%. But if the government doesn't like the results, just change the rules to suit your needs.
I do agree with the dollar and unemployment issues.
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my point is that this is rhederic and opinion, not facts. Wiky answer is not a credible site because I can add just about anything I want to that list true or not.
It's not opinion, get off your ass and do a little reading about how many of the things that stan pointed out have happened, it's a slippery slope, it's moving swiftly in the wrong direction and 4 more years will only build incredible speed to ruin what hasn't already been ruined.

I'm sorry you (like most other obama supporters) want ME or STAN or someone else to do the work for YOU. Which is part of the problem with free loaders.

Yeah, I'm using you as an example. In the perfect world for the way our society should be ran if you wanted that knowledge and wanted the answer's (or if you wanted a nice house, money, nice cars, a good job, healthcare, etc) you'd get off your ass and you'd work for it. Instead you want me to go and find those policies and regulations and implementations that obama has pushed thru, is pushing thru, and conitnues to fight for in favor of the lazy people and the uneducated people who support and vote for him.

I don't know you, and I'm not attacking you personally, but you're displaying to me exactly what it is wrong with 99% of obama supporters.....
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I voted obama last time around this time I will not. i feel that Ron Paul is the best answer to our country he reads documents to their literal meaning and doesn't twist them to suit his needs and he can back that with over 30 years of experience. ENOUGH POLITICAL BULL SHIT!!

so i just made it back on Monday from California with my new(to me) 1980 IH scout Traveler Diesel, does any one out there know where i can possibly find a junk yard around here with some old donors laying around. we drove it home so its reliable enough to go 2202mi with no major break downs but needs some TLC like any old truck. parts needed the most: turbo, air cleaner(box), heater core, and it'd be great to have a shop manual too. engine is an sd33-t, I do not know why the turbo was taken off or where it went to, the guy I bought it from never had a turbo on it either.
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