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Old February 7th, 2012, 03:59 PM   #1
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They now have a mouth piece within our government and tax payers are footing the bill for criminals to be here.

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Old February 7th, 2012, 04:15 PM   #2
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Just another step in the dismantling of everything this country was founded on, and made this country great for over 200 years. The really sad part is that BHO told everyone, even at the beginning of his campaign the first time, everything he wanted to do to change the country, and he still got elected. Now he's got so many people loving the ride on the gravy train that he's given them...sumbitch just might get re-elected. If he does, look out people- nothing holding him back anymore from full throttling the Hope and CHANGE.
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Awesome. Not only has Obama deported more illegal immigrants than any other president, but not he's taking steps to make sure the process is fair and transparent.
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Awesome. Not only has Obama deported more illegal immigrants than any other president, but not he's taking steps to make sure the process is fair and transparent.
WRONG. He is attempting to keep 225,000 here to enable then to vote for him. Why is it you think it is fair that ILLEGAL Immigrants be treated as if they have any right to our legal system and protections under the law?
Lets say illegals break into your house, rob you and beat the crap out of you. Would you still give them protection from the law?
There are people in this country that have been murdered and raped by illegals, and you want to give them rights?
You know your posts are begining to resemble the likes of a troll.
You can't deport them when you leave the back door wide open.
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WRONG. He is attempting to keep 225,000 here to enable then to vote for him. Why is it you think it is fair that ILLEGAL Immigrants be treated as if they have any right to our legal system and protections under the law?
Lets say illegals break into your house, rob you and beat the crap out of you. Would you still give them protection from the law?
There are people in this country that have been murdered and raped by illegals, and you want to give them rights?
You know your posts are begining to resemble the likes of a troll.
You can't deport them when you leave the back door wide open.
If we're allowing illegal immigrants to vote then I agree that there is a problem.

If I was the victim of a violent crime I would hope that anyone accused of that crime would get a fair trial to try an ensure that the accused was actually guilty and to make sure the guilty party gets punished. While I agree that someone here illegally should not have some of the same rights as a citizen they do not have zero rights. Everyone is entitled to basic human rights and that includes the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. It would be a very dangerous precedence set if all one had to do was point to the nearest suspected illegal immigrant and say they did it and have them dragged off for whatever punishment you saw fit without a fair trial.
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If we're allowing illegal immigrants to vote then I agree that there is a problem.

If I was the victim of a violent crime I would hope that anyone accused of that crime would get a fair trial to try an ensure that the accused was actually guilty and to make sure the guilty party gets punished. While I agree that someone here illegally should not have some of the same rights as a citizen they do not have zero rights. Everyone is entitled to basic human rights and that includes the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. It would be a very dangerous precedence set if all one had to do was point to the nearest suspected illegal immigrant and say they did it and have them dragged off for whatever punishment you saw fit without a fair trial.
They should get a real if accused. They should not get a trial if there is cut and dry proof, or they are accusing.
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Oh for fukc 's sake... they should be carrying that special little card that says they're here legally or they get thrown the fukc out. I'm so tired of hearing people worrying about the rights of illegals... let it be known to those seeking refuge in this great country that one of the costs of this move is that you will need to prove you have taken appropriate steps to ensure you and your family's longevity and legal relocation to this country. Get the fukc over it. If I were to get totally drunk and decide I wanted to move to the hellhole that is Mexico, I would have to do MUCH more than they do to prove my nationality.
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Awesome. Not only has Obama deported more illegal immigrants than any other president, but not he's taking steps to make sure the process is fair and transparent.
Be here ILLIGALLY, and they need a FAIR AND TRANSPARENT process.

I want all to be here legally, just go through the steps and become part of this country.
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If we're allowing illegal immigrants to vote then I agree that there is a problem.

If I was the victim of a violent crime I would hope that anyone accused of that crime would get a fair trial to try an ensure that the accused was actually guilty and to make sure the guilty party gets punished. While I agree that someone here illegally should not have some of the same rights as a citizen they do not have zero rights. Everyone is entitled to basic human rights and that includes the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. It would be a very dangerous precedence set if all one had to do was point to the nearest suspected illegal immigrant and say they did it and have them dragged off for whatever punishment you saw fit without a fair trial.
If the criminal was a citizen of this country and you were able to defend yourself and hold the guy for the cops and they were to verify he was an American criminal, then sure take him to court and go for due process. But if the guy is an illegal he has no rights in this country and should be shipped out on the next bus to the border, no holding for hearings and deportation, get out now.
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If the criminal was a citizen of this country and you were able to defend yourself and hold the guy for the cops and they were to verify he was an American criminal, then sure take him to court and go for due process. But if the guy is an illegal he has no rights in this country and should be shipped out on the next bus to the border, no holding for hearings and deportation, get out now.
So commit a crime and get a free ride home and no jail time?
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The American dream is quickly becoming an American nightmare.. Don't be a dick to Mexico... Soon we will all be trying to get outta this country!
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So commit a crime and get a free ride home and no jail time?
... then turn around, hop the fence again and you're back in this country within 24 hrs. Aber you are retarded.
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... then turn around, hop the fence again and you're back in this country within 24 hrs. Aber you are retarded.
We do all know that the borders need to be secured, which now they are not. Does anybody know what Mexico does to people trying to sneak into thier country?
I am retarded because I have a different opinion than you? Or is it because you have nothing else to say that you resort to name calling... like in grade school.
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We do all know that the borders need to be secured, which now they are not. Does anybody know what Mexico does to people trying to sneak into their country?
I am retarded because I have a different opinion than you? Or is it because you have nothing else to say that you resort to name calling... like in grade school.
So you agree by your logic that means is no different than if you let them go. I'd rather see them go to jail than let go.

Its not that you have a different opinion, its that your opinion is convoluted, contradicts itself many times, and generally doesn't make sense.
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No one can deny, they are a massive drain on society, increased costs in police and fire dept, schools, roads, hospitals, insurance claims etc. I still can't believe that we walk around talking about lowering our foreign oil dependence and improving our economy when we have millions of people here draining it illegally.

Until we can come close to securing the border we're screwed, it's all band aids on bullet wounds. Putting them in prison does make sense to some extent, but repeat and serious offenders i vote a Guantanamo bay setup or a lead injection. it seems inhumane but it's what it will take.
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Putting them in jail cost us money. Im against that for sure. I say we ship them to Cuba. Or Africa. Or stop letting them cross the border.
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Putting them in jail cost us money. Im against that for sure. I say we ship them to Cuba. Or Africa. Or stop letting them cross the border.
For sure, By putting the illegals in our prisons costs taxpayers to house feed and quite often medical care during thier stay.
The borders need to be secured. Arizona is trying to do just that, but the federal government is not doing thier part in enforcing the illegal crossings. Other foriegn countries execute people illegally entering thier country.
They have no business here. It is up to thier own government to make a better life for them not the taxpayers of this country.
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So you agree by your logic that means is no different than if you let them go. I'd rather see them go to jail than let go.

Its not that you have a different opinion, its that your opinion is convoluted, contradicts itself many times, and generally doesn't make sense.
Ok lets put in a way that even you can understand.
How about everybody( thats you) that thinks we should house and care for these illegals foot the bill.
I'm sure if your taxes went up because you voted to care for illegals you would not be so willing to think its ok to house and care for these criminals.
I have not checked as to what additional costs to tax payers are because of the people entering this country illegal but I'm sure its into the 10's of millions a year if not more.
So for you to say I make no sence. You need to look at the facts as to what this problem is causing to the people of this country.
Brewman is fact oriented, he may look this up and then again maybe not.


Wait I did a quick search on costs to tax payers and it is staggering

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/illeg...ry?id=10699317

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It is more of a problem than illegal wanting a better life it is also about islamic terrorists coming in, which is more of a reason to secure the border.

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