ASE certs - Page 2 - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest

Go Back   Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > General 4x4 Stuff > The Pub
GL4x4 Live! GL4x4 Casino

The Pub A friendly forum where everybody is nice, and will answer any questions you have about life.

greatlakes4x4.com is the premier Great Lakes 4x4 Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old February 2nd, 2012, 06:44 PM   #21
ScOoTeR
hoo dat. wat.
 
ScOoTeR's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-09-05
Location: Howell
Posts: 21,579
iTrader: (36)
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mclovin View Post

Which brings me to the next topic..

Engineers...
LOL
You'll find the same type of distribution across nearly every profession.

Engineers are an odd lot, though. Some are worthless, some don't worry about anything outside of their specific job - and many seem to think a degree makes them smarter than those without.

Think of some of the engineers on this forum and find comfort in knowing we all aren't ignorant bookworms that think we know it all. Off the top of my head I can think of some Awesome Ones:

Me
AlumCJ
H@gg@r
TopHeavy
Barry1me
InternetRyan
Duffman
Mr. Green
Bones
SolGoode (in a former life)
Ms. Chaffer

and a ton of other guys here that are probably engineers and I don't realize it. I train / mentor a decent amount of co-op students that get a dose of reality when they come work for us. I've had to give my engineer lecture to a few kids that thought they were better than the techs we have working on our projects. One such kid ended up spending two weeks shadowing a tech and handing him tools when he needed them and wiping them down and replacing them when done.

Like I said, you'll have the same type of BS in all professions...
__________________
@clarkstoncracker
ScOoTeR is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old February 2nd, 2012, 06:45 PM   #22
ArcticCat843
Senior Member
 
ArcticCat843's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-30-07
Location: Battle Creek MI / Lima OH
Posts: 1,726
iTrader: (25)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to ArcticCat843
Default

They are way to easy to hold any real value in my opinion.
I think the idea of the system is good it's just to dumbed down.

If you are a tech and are going to get a raise by passing them I say do it but if you are getting into the field and you want to take them to show someone you know what your doing....pick a different field before its to late!
ArcticCat843 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 06:59 PM   #23
Jeeperz Creeperz
Senior Member
 
Jeeperz Creeperz's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: Wyandotte, MI
Posts: 3,120
iTrader: (13)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Send a message via ICQ to Jeeperz Creeperz Send a message via AIM to Jeeperz Creeperz Send a message via MSN to Jeeperz Creeperz Send a message via Yahoo to Jeeperz Creeperz
Default

The ASE certs don't prove anything other than the test taker can pass the test. I've met ASE techs that couldn't diagnose their way out of a paper bag.

Not to stereotype all of them, I don't mean to say that ASE is a complete waste of time, but I don't think it necessarily proves anything about they're pride or work ethic. The street goes both ways, non-ASE techs can be the same.

If you're a good tech, ASE or not, it will show through the work that you do. You will build a customer base (they'll start to ask for you or return to the shop you work at).
Jeeperz Creeperz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:12 PM   #24
Kodiak450r
Keep on truckin
 
Kodiak450r's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-14-07
Location: Waterford, MI
Posts: 5,911
iTrader: (19)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

I'm another one to vote for the tests don't mean as much as they should. I for one think ASE tests should be hands on and not written. This would be a very good test to see if someone knows what they are doing. I have passed ASE practice tests before, on situations i have never encountered, and wouldn't know how to solve on a vehicle. On the other hand, if you gave me a hands on test on the proper way to do a brake job just for example i could pass it without issue. If i was ever fortunate enough to open my own shop like i have dreams of doing, anyone i would potentially hire would have to pass a few hands on tests to show they know what they are doing.
Kodiak450r is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:14 PM   #25
kixx007
Certified Ypsilantian
 
kixx007's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-14-06
Location: Not Metamora, Mi
Posts: 4,449
iTrader: (8)
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironman Offroad View Post
This is just MY opinion.
ASE certs prove the holder has true pride in his craft.
By taking the time and effort to stay up to date in his/her training and the time, effort and expence of obtaining and maintaining your ASE certs.
None of this is true. I just wanted a fancy patch!

I have to stay ASE certified if I want to keep my job. I also agree with the above statements. And I will continue to re-cert even I change careers.
kixx007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:23 PM   #26
chris1044
Senior Member
 
chris1044's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Lost in the mitten!
Posts: 2,013
iTrader: (4)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

As sad as it is to say (becuase I think these are highly over rated), of the tech's I've worked with that have them VS. the tech's I've worked with that dont...the tech's that have them are light-years better at what they do.

I wouldn't say that in a "they fix things better" kind of way, but more so in the fact that they actually take the job seriously and represent tech's better. For whaterver reason all the hack's and scammer's I've worked with haven't had them....all the top notch guy's I'd trust to wrench on my own vehicles did.
chris1044 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:30 PM   #27
BlooMule
Jet powered
 
BlooMule's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: a mile from the shithole
Posts: 25,688
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Default

I have many certs.

__________________
-rw-rw-rw
BlooMule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:36 PM   #28
bigbchevy
missmrgreenagain
 
bigbchevy's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-15-07
Location: fenton /hartland mi
Posts: 19,352
iTrader: (167)
Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Default

i have zero
__________________
H.o.r.e
(mr.green)So you are calling CC a liar?? Not a nice way to treat your bitch.
tube bending and gear installs pm me for info! gears installed for $150 and up per axle.
bigbchevy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 07:42 PM   #29
BlooMule
Jet powered
 
BlooMule's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: a mile from the shithole
Posts: 25,688
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbchevy View Post
i have zero
__________________
-rw-rw-rw
BlooMule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 08:10 PM   #30
BlackBetty97
We Like it Loud
 
BlackBetty97's Avatar
 
Join Date: 10-26-06
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 353
iTrader: (1)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

I as a matter of fact just completed my Masters Cert in Med/Hvy Equipment. My buddy in our corporate office is also currently working on designing a pay system for techs based on ASE cert's as well as other factors to determine wage/position changes.

I suppose as a young guy (23) working in the industry the cert's may hold more value than a career technician. I think they represent a similar purpose as a degree and show that someone is willing to take the initiative to learn and has the capability to do so. It is also a valuable sale tool for companies to state that their technicians have taken the opportunity to prove that they "know" something.

I took the 7 tests in two sittings and will be taking the Advanced L2: Electronic Diesel Engines... most likely in April. For me it is a way to prove to my superiors that I am capable of performing to a higher standard and that I hold myself to one. I am also hoping to make a change of positions and begin to lease trucks to customers, being able to tell a customer that the truck they operate is maintained by an ASE certified mechanic says a lot about the employer.
BlackBetty97 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 08:28 PM   #31
pyrowaves
The Boss
 
pyrowaves's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-03-06
Location: Dearborn/Ortonville
Posts: 2,822
iTrader: (13)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to pyrowaves
Default

they are good in most cases.

either way. getting them will do nothing for you except make you better.

Your not going to go take a test and pass and be a worse tech. So quit whining about it and go get your certs.
pyrowaves is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 08:38 PM   #32
BlooMule
Jet powered
 
BlooMule's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: a mile from the shithole
Posts: 25,688
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pyrowaves View Post
they are good in most cases.

either way. getting them will do nothing for you except make you better.

Your not going to go take a test and pass and be a worse tech. So quit whining about it and go get your certs.
You may take the test and pass and be the same tech you always were. Which may also be a bad tech.
__________________
-rw-rw-rw
BlooMule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 09:01 PM   #33
melon350
Member
 
Join Date: 03-25-06
Location: Rochester, MI
Posts: 76
iTrader: (4)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

We must work for the same tire store cheapthrill.
melon350 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 09:03 PM   #34
Mclovin
"The Situation"
 
Mclovin's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-07-05
Location: Westland, Mi
Posts: 14,394
iTrader: (15)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to Mclovin Send a message via Yahoo to Mclovin
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pyrowaves View Post
they are good in most cases.

either way. getting them will do nothing for you except make you better.

Your not going to go take a test and pass and be a worse tech. So quit whining about it and go get your certs.
I cant take tests for shit.. But i can swap an engine in 5 hrs or less
Mclovin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 09:08 PM   #35
BlooMule
Jet powered
 
BlooMule's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: a mile from the shithole
Posts: 25,688
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mclovin View Post
I cant take tests for shit.. But i can swap an engine in 5 hrs or less
That just means you've been swapping engines waaaaaay too often.
__________________
-rw-rw-rw
BlooMule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 09:16 PM   #36
Mclovin
"The Situation"
 
Mclovin's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-07-05
Location: Westland, Mi
Posts: 14,394
iTrader: (15)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to Mclovin Send a message via Yahoo to Mclovin
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlooMule View Post
That just means you've been swapping engines waaaaaay too often.
Ive worked retro fits for a while now (car company has a problem after assembly but before it hits the dealer.. so it comes to use and we fix it.. usually 500-2000 cars) We did a vehicle line back in oct that was engine swaps.. i did 2 to 3 a day..
Mclovin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 09:38 PM   #37
GreaseMonkey
Senior Member
 
GreaseMonkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-04-05
Location: Madison Heights, MI
Posts: 18,006
iTrader: (22)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mclovin View Post
I cant take tests for shit.. But i can swap an engine in 5 hrs or less
Unless someone throws snowballs at you and you storm off in a hissy fit.
GreaseMonkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 2nd, 2012, 10:07 PM   #38
GUY LEDOUCHE
Please take it easy on me
 
GUY LEDOUCHE's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-18-10
Location: Mio, MI
Posts: 85
iTrader: (0)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Well, I'm ase certified in P2 and I know that ones a joke. P2 would be the retard test for light duty parts guys. I actually feel dumber after getting it because I don't respect it. All it did was show me that any AutoZone, Advance, Oreillys two weeks on the job moron could pass it. So I passed on the patch and pin.
GUY LEDOUCHE is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > General 4x4 Stuff > The Pub

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:39 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright 2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Page generated in 0.31163 seconds with 75 queries