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Old February 2nd, 2012, 10:51 AM   #161
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Sadly from everyone I've known that is of that level of importance in a company your job becomes a lot more of your life and the financial rewards usually correlate.

Its probably not as horrible as I just made it out to be, but we have adjusted our lives to accommodate it and it works.
This is also what separates us. Some prefer to work less and enjoy more and others chose a stronger work path that leads to more time at work and often more compensation.

Most chastise those making more money, but fail to "walk a mile in their shoes".

They think that a person making 200k must work the same 40 hours I do so their sacrifice is no more than mine, so their wages should not be either and when those wages are higher, they feel taxing (penalizing) them is a sound practice to make life a little more fair.

Sorry, life is not fair. We all do not get medals for running the race. We do not all retire to the same level of elder existence, it is not how life works. You get back what you put in. If you choose to be more lax (not lazy) and work less hours, for less pay and acquire less stuff, that is a choice YOU made, you also must live with said choice.
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My wife and I do well. I won't discuss exact numbers. But I can say that earning more, regardless of paying lots of taxes, affords us a better life style. I can't imagine how anyone can say that cutting $80K from their income has a zero impact.

Rentalrider, you said your life didn't change when your wife retired but in the same sentence you said you sold a bunch of stuff to do it. So, yes, your life did change. Everything in life has a trade off and those are consious decisions that each family must face.

I have a stressful job and there has been more than once that I have come home and said I can't do this anymore. Then I say, well, I can take a job for half the pay but we will have to sell some things, reduce our savings and cut back on some of our lifestyle.

Regarding the specifics on taxes, yes, it pisses me off how much I pay. And yes, I don't feel I receive any more (or even as much) from the government than someone making half of what I do. I am a big fan of a flat tax rate.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 11:04 AM   #163
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This is also what separates us. Some prefer to work less and enjoy more and others chose a stronger work path that leads to more time at work and often more compensation.

Most chastise those making more money, but fail to "walk a mile in their shoes".

They think that a person making 200k must work the same 40 hours I do so their sacrifice is no more than mine, so their wages should not be either and when those wages are higher, they feel taxing (penalizing) them is a sound practice to make life a little more fair.

Sorry, life is not fair. We all do not get medals for running the race. We do not all retire to the same level of elder existence, it is not how life works. You get back what you put in. If you choose to be more lax (not lazy) and work less hours, for less pay and acquire less stuff, that is a choice YOU made, you also must live with said choice.
I am attached at the hip to my employer. I take calls, answer emails, interupt dinner and family functions and even cut my vacations short due to customer/work issues. I have people tell me that I should not answer a call or email from my boss after hours, over the weekend or on vacation. But, my boss relies on me and that's why he pays me what he pays me. Is it a nusiance at times? Sure. But it's also great that he trusts me and needs me to handle things for him.
Bottom line, it comes with the job and that's why I make what I make.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 11:17 AM   #164
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I am attached at the hip to my employer. I take calls, answer emails, interupt dinner and family functions and even cut my vacations short due to customer/work issues. I have people tell me that I should not answer a call or email from my boss after hours, over the weekend or on vacation. But, my boss relies on me and that's why he pays me what he pays me. Is it a nusiance at times? Sure. But it's also great that he trusts me and needs me to handle things for him.
Bottom line, it comes with the job and that's why I make what I make.
I totally get that, and do you agree that having that type of responsibility is challenging and interesting also as a professional?
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I am attached at the hip to my employer. I take calls, answer emails, interupt dinner and family functions and even cut my vacations short due to customer/work issues. I have people tell me that I should not answer a call or email from my boss after hours, over the weekend or on vacation. But, my boss relies on me and that's why he pays me what he pays me. Is it a nusiance at times? Sure. But it's also great that he trusts me and needs me to handle things for him.
Bottom line, it comes with the job and that's why I make what I make.
Actually one thing I like about my job is that I can't do it from anywhere. It would take a very unusual event for my work to call me afterhours or on a weekend or vacation. There's very little I could do without being at my computer at the office.
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I totally get that, and do you agree that having that type of responsibility is challenging and interesting also as a professional?
It certainly eliminates boring days. But, at the end of the day, I go to work for one reason......... the money.
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I hate how everyone seems to want to draw a hard line in the sand in which they feel is where anything more than that is just unnecessary and up for public dispersal at a higher rate.

To me that is just as bad as the whole universal health care capping what doctors can earn in a year. You are slowly chipping away at the single most important thing that gives people the drive to succeed. What becomes the incentive to work harder, take risks, get better education, etc... when you are just going to be whacked down the the same level as your neighbor because he didn't take that initiative and feels you don't need it?
What drove people to succeed from the early 1930's until the mid 1980's when the top tax rate was anywhere from 50% to a high of 94%! What drives people to succeed in the rest of the industrialized world that has some level of government run health care.
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That's smart. I say"i work to live not live to work"

Referring to brew s post.

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They think that a person making 200k must work the same 40 hours I do so their sacrifice is no more than mine, so their wages should not be either and when those wages are higher, they feel taxing (penalizing) them is a sound practice to make life a little more fair.


This is where all of the discussions about taxes fall apart. Taxation should not be about penalties and rewards, it should be about funding the activities of government that need to be funded. I agree that it's absurd that some people get more back in a tax return than they paid in. If we are going to have welfare, we should call it welfare and not try to hide it in the tax code.

I don't care what system of taxes you put in place, there will be people who cry that it is not fair. The current progressive income tax system has been in place for nearly 100 years, and now people say it's a broken system. So was it always broken? Or what change to you see as breaking the system?
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This is where all of the discussions about taxes fall apart. Taxation should not be about penalties and rewards, it should be about funding the activities of government that need to be funded. I agree that it's absurd that some people get more back in a tax return than they paid in. If we are going to have welfare, we should call it welfare and not try to hide it in the tax code.

I don't care what system of taxes you put in place, there will be people who cry that it is not fair. The current progressive income tax system has been in place for nearly 100 years, and now people say it's a broken system. So was it always broken? Or what change to you see as breaking the system?
The blatant abuse by so many people today.
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That's smart. I say"i work to live not live to work"

Referring to brew s post.
It also helps that I enjoy what I do and it pays well.
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It certainly eliminates boring days. But, at the end of the day, I go to work for one reason......... the money.
My grandfather always said "dont thank me, pay me." I think he was trying to be funny but I use that line on occasion when I accomplish something for my company. :) While I completely agree with what you are saying above, I also know that I would never be able to be as productive if I was completely bored out of my mind. I have had jobs were you only do certain tasks and you didn't have much opportunity to create solutions and problem solve. Jobs that are boring make it harder to get out of bed. I don't work for fun but I do like that I enjoy my job.
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The current progressive income tax system has been in place for nearly 100 years, and now people say it's a broken system. So was it always broken? Or what change to you see as breaking the system?
you're still hung up on this being an income tax thread. let's steer it back to an over-reaching federal government thread. One of the supposed key tenants of conservatives is smaller Government. I don't believe for a moment that most of them really believe that, but let's run with it, because I am in fact for smaller Government.

• For 100 years we had banks lending money for mortgages, and holding those notes, with required levels of collateralization and equity positions. The vast majority were regional banks, not the megaliths that are there now. The Fed jumps in, with their quasi-governmental secondary mortgage markets, and after a couple of decades of false growth the world's economy blows up. When you had to put 20% or more down, plus closing costs, people weren't so cavalier about over-extending themselves, or flipping houses.

• for 100 years we didn't have Federalized Healthcare. We're still not even there yet, but the threat of what is buried in the bill that nobody read, that will still require reams of additional legislation and administrative rules to implement is already forcing huge changes in the medical services industry. Doctors are selling out practices, companies are outsourcing (even more), contracting, or just closing rather than deal with more over-reach.

Perhaps the current resistance to increased income taxes is nothing more than digging heals in, crossing arms and saying a big "FUCK you" to the Dems that crammed shit down our throats when they briefly held a majority in both houses of Congress.

Honestly who cares, outside of a few misguided souls, pretty much everyone is in agreement that none of our elected representatives in Washington are truly representing us.

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you're still hung up on this being an income tax thread. let's steer it back to an over-reaching federal government thread. One of the supposed key tenants of conservatives is smaller Government. I don't believe for a moment that most of them really believe that, but let's run with it, because I am in fact for smaller Government.

For 100 years we had banks lending money for mortgages, and holding those notes, with required levels of collateralization and equity positions. The vast majority were regional banks, not the megaliths that are there now. The Fed jumps in, with their quasi-governmental secondary mortgage markets, and after a couple of decades of false growth the world's economy blows up. When you had to put 20% or more down, plus closing costs, people weren't so cavalier about over-extending themselves, or flipping houses.

for 100 years we didn't have Federalized Healthcare. We're still not even there yet, but the threat of what is buried in the bill that nobody read, that will still require reams of additional legislation and administrative rules to implement is already forcing huge changes in the medical services industry. Doctors are selling out practices, companies are outsourcing (even more), contracting, or just closing rather than deal with more over-reach.

Perhaps the current resistance to increased income taxes is nothing more than digging heals in, crossing arms and saying a big "FUCK you" to the Dems that crammed shit down our throats when they briefly held a majority in both houses of Congress.

Honestly who cares, outside of a few misguided souls, pretty much everyone is in agreement that none of our elected representatives in Washington are truly representing us.
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you're still hung up on this being an income tax thread. let's steer it back to an over-reaching federal government thread. One of the supposed key tenants of conservatives is smaller Government. I don't believe for a moment that most of them really believe that, but let's run with it, because I am in fact for smaller Government.

For 100 years we had banks lending money for mortgages, and holding those notes, with required levels of collateralization and equity positions. The vast majority were regional banks, not the megaliths that are there now. The Fed jumps in, with their quasi-governmental secondary mortgage markets, and after a couple of decades of false growth the world's economy blows up. When you had to put 20% or more down, plus closing costs, people weren't so cavalier about over-extending themselves, or flipping houses.

for 100 years we didn't have Federalized Healthcare. We're still not even there yet, but the threat of what is buried in the bill that nobody read, that will still require reams of additional legislation and administrative rules to implement is already forcing huge changes in the medical services industry. Doctors are selling out practices, companies are outsourcing (even more), contracting, or just closing rather than deal with more over-reach.

Perhaps the current resistance to increased income taxes is nothing more than digging heals in, crossing arms and saying a big "FUCK you" to the Dems that crammed shit down our throats when they briefly held a majority in both houses of Congress.

Honestly who cares, outside of a few misguided souls, pretty much everyone is in agreement that none of our elected representatives in Washington are truly representing us.
Like I said, I'm not smart enough to completely analyze our entire government and come up with a comprehensive conclusion and proposed corrective action.

So the only thing anyone needs to post here anymore is government sucks.
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Like I said, I'm not smart enough to completely analyze our entire government and come up with a comprehensive conclusion and proposed corrective action.

So the only thing anyone needs to post here anymore is government sucks.
It wouldn't matter if you were smart enough, or if Romney is smart enough, or if Obama is smart enough, or if Paul is smart enough, or if is smart enough.

the "machine" that is Capitol Hill, along with the Lobbying industry, and the Media won't let a true solution come to play. Even though most of us are moderates, the way to get elected is to polarize, and divide.

I fear we're on a not-so-fun giant pendulum ride. And frankly, I'm already, quite ready to throw up...
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It wouldn't matter if you were smart enough, or if Romney is smart enough, or if Obama is smart enough, or if Paul is smart enough, or if is smart enough.

the "machine" that is Capitol Hill, along with the Lobbying industry, and the Media won't let a true solution come to play. Even though most of us are moderates, the way to get elected is to polarize, and divide.

I fear we're on a not-so-fun giant pendulum ride. And frankly, I'm already, quite ready to throw up...
government sucks
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