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Old September 27th, 2006, 09:22 AM   #1
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ROCKS @ the Mounds update
The Mounds ORV Advisory Board met last night 26SE06 to discuss the direction of the Mounds now that the millage was passed in August.
Great Lakes 4WD Assn came prepared to present our proposal on behalf of the full size 4WD community on what we were prepared to do to enable us to move forward with the rock course. Our presentation outlined design, location, material specifications, supplier, logistics, and cost. This was a complete package with no cost to Genesee County Parks unless they deemed it a requirement to utilize County workers for contractual reasons.
The Park Director informed us that the Mounds are under Genesee County requirements to follow a multi-phase process for any new development in the Park. This means that they must first hold public hearings to determine if there is a desire to have a rock course. At this hearing they will gather, what we want, where we want it, etc, along with the residents input on issues which may affect them. (i.e. location)
The park staff will then put together a ‘Request for Quote’. Any business or individual meeting the minimum bid requirements will be allowed to quote. The supplier with the minimum bid that meets the specified requirement will get the job.
The park staff informed us that they have request $20,000 for design and specification of a rock crawl course in their DNR Grant for the 2007 budget year. If the DNR stays on track the Director indicated they would start working on the Rock Course Design Proposal mid January 2007. Keep in mind this would just be the money to design the course. The actual request for money for the material for the rock course would not be submitted until DNR budget year 2008.
The Director indicated that they would gladly accept our donation for the rocks but would not anticipate being able to utilize it until the entire process has been followed.
While this sounds a bit disheartening due to the bureaucratic processes that we must follow, the bright side is we have Genesee County Parks Director, the Local Representative of the residents, and the other members of the Mounds ORV Advisory Board are ALL in agreement that this is a great idea for a development in the Mounds and everyone is pushing forward.
I’ll let everyone know when the RFQ goes out for those who might wish to bid on it and when the public hearing will be. I would anticipate first quarter 2007.
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Old September 27th, 2006, 09:34 AM   #2
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So, there is the chance that the Mounds could have a rock course by next summer free. EXCEPT, we have to go thru the mumble-jumble government buraucracy crap. Got to love our government in action.

Good job on this, please post about the upcoming votes.
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Old September 27th, 2006, 11:14 AM   #3
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we need to do is have a (B Y O R) party:tonka: ..... (bring your own rock)
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Old September 27th, 2006, 11:33 AM   #4
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Its a little disheartening but it sounds like if we, as a wheelin community, stick with it there is a good chance it'll happen
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I think it is great news - to have the local residents and the GCP folks in favor of the idea should make the process much easier.

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Is there anyone on the Park and Rec Department with, not only the knowledge of a "Rock Garden", but the ability to design one?
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Old September 27th, 2006, 02:20 PM   #7
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Rock crawlin in Michigan....Whats next?

Its just a fad, a fad I tell Ya!!!!!


This IS great news......I wonder if there is anyway to speed up the process and cut the red tape?

Please keep us informed, I would like to be at that next meeting if I can.
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Is there anyone on the Park and Rec Department with, not only the knowledge of a "Rock Garden", but the ability to design one?
this is an important question. who is going to be doing the designing? i'm sure once the project is done it wont be easy an easy process to rearrange them.
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Wonder if they are going to open up bidding for the design also? If so, perhaps one of our people could bid on doing that. We seem to have some people with some serious offroad talent on the site, not just webwheelers.

Would be good to see something besides mud there, getting real tired of the evil mud this year.
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Wonder if they are going to open up bidding for the design also? If so, perhaps one of our people could bid on doing that. We seem to have some people with some serious offroad talent on the site, not just webwheelers.

Would be good to see something besides mud there, getting real tired of the evil mud this year.
Yes, that is the plan, GCP&R will specify general requirements. i.e number of trails, length, grade requirements as in man made hills, etc. It will be up to the bidding contractor to fulfill the requirements and specify a cost for the project. This may or may not entail purchase of the materials. Not sure how they want to divy up the project yet. Still a bit early. I do know there will be a public hearing. (Boy would I like to kill them with attendance there!) After that, the RPP will go out.
One additional obstace GL had asked for was a log crawl. Up hill, logs pinned to the ground. Different angles and diameter logs.
Also start thinking about where you'd like it placed in the facility too. Up front has more logistical benefits as opposed to the back where it was originally planned. Having pictures to submit as suggestions may help also. I gathered up as many as I thought showed in general what we wanted. Mind you, we can do without the one's showing some guy doing a wheel stand just before he turtle's it!
Will let everyone know as soon as I know!
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Let us know when that public meeting is scheduled.
I'll add to the crowd.

Will you be looking at this issue on Saturday before the GLFWDA quarterly?
I know I'll be at the meeting but I'm not sure about the run yet.

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Thanks for the update.

If you can, let us know before the next meeting, so people with an interest can show up!
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Thanks for the update.

If you can, let us know before the next meeting, so people with an interest can show up!
Yes, I will. Just for clarification, the meeting on Tuesday was not a public meeting.
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20 grand just to draw on a piece of paper, put a rock here, put a rock over there, how about one here, and mabyee a few over there. Sound like more red tape to me..
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Some of it is bureaucracy & red tape, but they also have to do traffic studies, address safety issues, and all of that kind of stuff. The big wheels are turning slowly, but at least they are moving.
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Some of it is bureaucracy & red tape, but they also have to do traffic studies, address safety issues, and all of that kind of stuff. The big wheels are turning slowly, but at least they are moving.

Another victory to score for wheelers!
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I would love to see rock crawling there, but there would be days where I just want to go crawling, and not get soaked in mud, if they place it in the back, I know that Im gonna get soaked, its just a pain to clean off, Yea I know thats 1/2 the fun is cleaning after, but... I dont know im just a baby and want to have fun but no clean up :P
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The plan Jim (kb8ymf) proposed would put the rocks near the front of the park - assuming that $20,000 worth of planning and studies doesn't determine that the rocks should be installed in the parking lot. The logistics of putting several truckloads full of big rocks in place should help keep it towards the front.
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