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Old January 4th, 2012, 05:05 PM   #1
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Can he really do anything he wants?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ss-is-at-home/
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Old January 4th, 2012, 05:19 PM   #2
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Congress refuses to do anything. If anything is to get done he has to take the risks of doing it alone.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 06:09 PM   #3
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Recess appointments are nothing new. Whether it's appointing federal judges or folks to high level positions in certain agencies, I cannot remember a president in my lifetime not making recess appointments.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 06:52 PM   #4
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The question we need to ask is, why has congress not approved this person and why does obama wait until congress is out on recess to appoint this guy. Who is he, what is his backround? Just curious.
Obama says we need to be protected and this guy is the man to do it. I think we need to be protected from the ever long arm of this liberal government.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 07:01 PM   #5
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YAY, more government, WE'RE SAVED!!!
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Old January 4th, 2012, 08:54 PM   #6
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The question we need to ask is, why has congress not approved this person and why does obama wait until congress is out on recess to appoint this guy. Who is he, what is his backround? Just curious.
Obama says we need to be protected and this guy is the man to do it. I think we need to be protected from the ever long arm of this liberal government.
I don't need to ask that question, because it's already answered in the article you posted.

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Republicans have had little opposition if any to the qualifications of Cordray. Their objection is with the consumer agency itself.
This is what pisses me off about our government lately. Rather than deciding what to do, and doing it, they make all these backdoor moves trying to out maneuver the other side. This agency was created by the 111th congress. The Republicans of the 112th congress don't like it, but rather than be up front and try to get it changed, they instead try to kill it be refusing the confirm the appointment the it's director. Then the President sneaks around their backs and does this "recess appointment". What a bunch of nonsense.

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Old January 5th, 2012, 09:27 AM   #7
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Can he really do anything he wants?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ss-is-at-home/
Article II, Section 2. Read it.

The President is the Chief Executive of the Executive branch. He can. They have all done it, and its not a big deal.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 10:23 PM   #8
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Article II, Section 2. Read it.

The President is the Chief Executive of the Executive branch. He can. They have all done it, and its not a big deal.
The Senate was not in recess.
This asshat doesn't give two shits about the Constitution.
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The Senate was not in recess.
This asshat doesn't give two shits about the Constitution.
I just reread article ii, section 2. Nowhere does it say that the senate must be in recess. It says that the senate can allow him to appoint heads of departments by himself. Says nothing about them needing to be in recess.
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Did the senate give him permission?
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Old January 6th, 2012, 07:48 AM   #11
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The senate must be in recess for three days before he can make an appointment. Senate was out one day.
He does whatever he wants with no reguard for the constitution. Whats next? will he give the Russians secrets to our missle defence program?
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Old January 6th, 2012, 08:11 AM   #12
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The senate must be in recess for three days before he can make an appointment. Senate was out one day.
He does whatever he wants with no reguard for the constitution. Whats next? will he give the Russians secrets to our missle defence program?
Can you link me to the part of the constitution that says they must be out for 3 days?
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Old January 6th, 2012, 08:16 AM   #13
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I caught that the other day on the news and it was Obama that made up that rule. I will look for it though.

found something

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...s_actions.html

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Old January 6th, 2012, 08:39 AM   #14
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How about everyone actually READ the article. Most of your questions are answered there.
For those of you who can't figure out how to click on the link, here is what I am talking about:

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Obama has constitutional power to make appointments during a congressional recess.

Expressly to keep that from happening, Republicans in the Senate have had the Senate running in "pro forma" sessions, meaning open for business in name with no actual business planned. Democrats started the practice under Bush to halt him from making recess appointments.

The Senate held such a session on Tuesday and planned another one on Friday. Republicans contend Obama cannot make a recess appointment during such a break of less than three days, based on years of precedent, and they point to comments by Obama's own Justice Department echoing that view.

Regardless, the Obama White House now contends such an approach is a gimmick.

For all practical purposes, the Senate is in recess and Obama is free to make the appointment on his own, without Senate confirmation, administration officials said.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz1igl48ATp
In short, rather than our politicians deciding what need to be done and doing it, they are making all these stupid bullshit moves trying to out maneuver each other while nothing actually gets done.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 09:11 AM   #15
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I just reread article ii, section 2. Nowhere does it say that the senate must be in recess. It says that the senate can allow him to appoint heads of departments by himself. Says nothing about them needing to be in recess.
Senate must give him that power, but per the last paragraph, he can do it himself if congress is in recess.

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The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
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Can you link me to the part of the constitution that says they must be out for 3 days?
It's probably an interpretation of this:

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Article. I.Section. 5.

Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.

Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.

Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal.

Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.
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