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Old December 22nd, 2011, 01:33 PM   #1
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and the GOP establishment is running scarred!!

I'm shocked that they haven't killd Ron Paul to be honest.

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With the Iowa presidential caucuses just a few days away, the Republican establishment is busy with some frightening new themes, like:

What happens in Iowa stays in Iowa.

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Epson.com/WorkforceWho cares what happens in Iowa — if anything — anyway?

My personal favorite comes direct from the unyielding mind of Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad, a Republican who insists that American voters don't care which candidate wins the Iowa caucuses Jan. 3.

"People are going to look at who comes in second and who comes in third," said Branstad. "If (Mitt) Romney comes in a strong second, it definitely helps him going into New Hampshire and other states."

Losing Iowa helps in New Hampshire? So it's not winning that counts, its losing? What the?

Is he high?

Just what the devil is wrong with the Republican bigwigs these days? Their minds can't be besotted by Hopium. That's a liberal Democratic leaf for Democratic pipes depressed that Chicago's City Hall has run the country into the ground. So Republicans must be smoking something else, something just as potent: Dopium, a leaf so powerful that it allowed many Republicans to call themselves "conservatives" while embracing a series of big government programs and federal bailouts from the Bush administration, not to mention two wars.

These days, Gov. Branstad isn't alone. The entire Republican establishment is babbling similar nonsense about the importance of being earnest and a loser in Iowa.

Meanwhile, the Republican-media high priests — yes, the GOP has its own hierarchs — are now in full-throated roar. From the secular pulpits they predict unending torment and Obamanation for anyone foolish enough to embrace the current heretical teachings.

And the name of this heretic?

Ron Paul, the Texas congressman and libertarian who is leading most polls in Iowa with a message of cutting government, including the defense budget, and staying out of wars.

The problem isn't that he's saying it. Paul has been consistent for years. The problem for the GOP establishment is that the American people are now listening. And this threatens the coalition that can put Karl Rove and Wall Street and the Religious Right at the same table to slice the pie of power.

The fact that voters, particularly younger voters, are edging toward Paul has sent the GOP into a panic.

"His supporters are younger and more likely to (use) a cellphone, so he's probably going to perform better than his polling suggests," Iowa State associate professor Dave Peterson told cbsnews.com. "His supporters are also dedicated and will likely turn out on caucus night and not change their minds."

Republicans sure changed their minds about Mitt Romney, a moderate who yearns to be conservative during party primaries. Republicans pegged him for what he is, a corporate stiff, every hair in place, who'll run left the second he secures the nomination. Tim Pawlenty? Just another can of Spam. Rick Perry stuck both boots in his mouth and kept them there. It's a wonder he has any lips left.

Michele Bachmann had her troubles with American history, and Rick Santorum seems ready to punch anyone who won't let him attack Iran tomorrow morning. And Herman Cain? With so many "girlfriend" stories buzzing around him, he was tagged on the Internet with an M.C. Hammer-type parody theme song: "Cain Touched This."

Now it's Newt Gingrich's turn to drop his blossoms. What was it exactly? Was it that $1.6 million chunk that his consulting firm took from federal mortgage giant Freddie Mac as it was getting a massive federal bailout? Or that pledge of marital fidelity he signed the other day, suggesting that his oath to his third wife wasn't nearly enough?

And as he inked it, his campaign was infected by a terrible political virus, Newtonian Ego Interruptus.

Since August, the media has desperately avoided mentioning Paul, a fact noted during the summer in a hilarious rip by liberal comic Jon Stewart and a few days ago by the conservative journalist Neil Cavuto, proving that intellectual honesty is not and never has been a partisan affair. Yet for every Stewart or Cavuto there are dozens of eager clerics of the Church of Common Wisdom, desperate to become bishops.

I'm not endorsing Paul here. But you'd have to be blind not to see Republican bosses in panic. Because if Paul wins Iowa, his ideas might catch fire. And then the bosses won't be able to feed as easily.

Once there was no more amusing sight for me than watching Democratic mouthpieces appearing on TV, claiming then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Rezko, — backed by all those guys from Chicago's City Hall — would bring hope and change as he transcended the broken politics of America's past.

The journalistic high priests, their brains swollen by several bowls of Hopium, chattered and repeated the slogans of City Hall's favorite mouthpiece, David Axelrod. So Americans never quite realized that the man they were electing president had been an earnest but inexperienced back-bencher in the Illinois Legislature who spent his entire career taking orders from machine bosses while trying to get ahead.

Hopium was bad enough. But what worries me are all those clouds of Dopium wafting across Iowa, where the Republican establishment remains in Ron Paul denial.

Iowa: where winning isn't as important as losing.



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Old January 3rd, 2012, 06:33 PM   #2
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Lets go Ron Paul!!
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No, let's not go Ron Paul.
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Yes lets go for the guy in 3rd!
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Israel would never allow Ron Paul to become president of the US.
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As much as I like Ron Paul's some what psycho views on things he will never be the President. He's this decade's Ross Perot. All he is going to do is steal votes away from a viable Obama replacement and give us another 4 years of Hope...ingwedon'tgobankrupt.

I swear the Democrats plant these Libritarian, independant, wanna be Republican candidates to just derail their competition.
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Ron paul is un-electable. All he does is strip votes off the . He needs to go away!
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As much as I like Ron Paul's some what psycho views on things he will never be the President. He's this decade's Ross Perot. All he is going to do is steal votes away from a viable Obama replacement and give us another 4 years of Hope...ingwedon'tgobankrupt.

I swear the Democrats plant these Libritarian, independant, wanna be Republican candidates to just derail their competition.
Ron Pauls fiscal/domestic policies are great. However his foreign policy scares the living hell out of me.

Remove all military installations that are on foreign soil? I dont fucking think so.

I'd like to see Santorum take the nomination, with Ron Paul being his Secretary of the Treasury.
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I see Mitt Obama won in Iowa... no wait, sorry. I meant Barrack Romney.
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I'm all for isolationism. He showed well at the percentage taken.
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I'm all for isolationism. He showed well at the percentage taken.
Ideally isolationism is a great idea. In reality, it's fucking retarded.
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As much as I like Ron Paul's some what psycho views on things he will never be the President. He's this decade's Ross Perot. All he is going to do is steal votes away from a viable Obama replacement and give us another 4 years of Hope...ingwedon'tgobankrupt.

I swear the Democrats plant these Libritarian, independant, wanna be Republican candidates to just derail their competition.
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You are both aware that Ron Paul is running as a Republican in the Republican primary, right?

He has stated that he is not interested in running as a third party candidate if he does not win the (R) nomination.

I fail to see the difference between Obama and the Republican candidates. They all want less liberty, more government, more war, and more debt. Paul is the exception.
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Ron Pauls fiscal/domestic policies are great. However his foreign policy scares the living hell out of me.

Remove all military installations that are on foreign soil? I dont fucking think so.

I'd like to see Santorum take the nomination, with Ron Paul being his Secretary of the Treasury.
I get it, you enjoy bombing brown people and paying for it with my child's future earnings.
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I get it, you enjoy bombing brown people and paying for it with my child's future earnings.
The world is a much smaller place than it was 20 years ago. Do you really believe that we should close down all of our bases, and have the Navy never leave our waters?

Hannity asked RP about the 3rd party thing, and he would not say that he will not run 3rd party. He got so pissed off, he walked off!

I'd almost rather have 4 more years of Obama, than 4 years of Paul.
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The world is a much smaller place than it was 20 years ago. Do you really believe that we should close down all of our bases, and have the Navy never leave our waters?
I think it's been the same size since we figured out it wasn't flat. I like the Roosevelt policy of speak softly and carry a big stick.
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I think it's been the same size since we figured out it wasn't flat. I like the Roosevelt policy of speak softly and carry a big stick.
Instant communication, inter-continental missiles, and the internet have all made the world much smaller than it used to be.
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The world is a much smaller place than it was 20 years ago. Do you really believe that we should close down all of our bases, and have the Navy never leave our waters?

Hannity asked RP about the 3rd party thing, and he would not say that he will not run 3rd party. He got so pissed off, he walked off!

I'd almost rather have 4 more years of Obama, than 4 years of Paul.
A bankrupt economy will sink this country faster than any outside threat.

I heard the Hannity interview. He didn't get pissed and he didn't walk off. It was very polite on both sides from what I heard of it. You must be thinking of the CNN interview that was edited to make it look like he stormed off but the unedited tape shows a different story. He has since said he has no interest in pursuing a 3rd party position.

From the Paul2012 website......

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As an Air Force veteran, Ron Paul believes national defense is the single most important responsibility the Constitution entrusts to the federal government.

In Congress, Ron Paul voted to authorize military force to hunt down Osama bin Laden and authored legislation to specifically target terrorist leaders and bring them to justice.

Today, however, hundreds of thousands of our fighting men and women have been stretched thin all across the globe in over 135 countries – often without a clear mission, any sense of what defines victory, or the knowledge of when they’ll be permanently reunited with their families.

Acting as the world’s policeman and nation-building weakens our country, puts our troops in harm’s way, and sends precious resources to other nations in the midst of an historic economic crisis.

Taxpayers are forced to spend billions of dollars each year to protect the borders of other countries, while Washington refuses to deal with our own border security needs.

Congress has been rendered virtually irrelevant in foreign policy decisions and regularly cedes authority to an executive branch that refuses to be held accountable for its actions.

Far from defeating the enemy, our current policies provide incentive for more to take up arms against us.

That’s why, as Commander-in-Chief, Dr. Paul will lead the fight to:

* Make securing our borders the top national security priority.

* Avoid long and expensive land wars that bankrupt our country by using constitutional means to capture or kill terrorist leaders who helped attack the U.S. and continue to plot further attacks.

* Guarantee our intelligence community’s efforts are directed toward legitimate threats and not spying on innocent Americans through unconstitutional power grabs like the Patriot Act.

* End the nation-building that is draining troop morale, increasing our debt, and sacrificing lives with no end in sight.

* Follow the Constitution by asking Congress to declare war before one is waged.

* Only send our military into conflict with a clear mission and all the tools they need to complete the job – and then bring them home.

* Ensure our veterans receive the care, benefits, and honors they have earned when they return.

* Revitalize the military for the 21st century by eliminating waste in a trillion-dollar military budget.

* Prevent the TSA from forcing Americans to either be groped or ogled just to travel on an airplane and ultimately abolish the unconstitutional agency.

* Stop taking money from the middle class and the poor to give to rich dictators through foreign aid.

As President, Ron Paul’s national defense policy will ensure that the greatest nation in human history is strong, secure, and respected.
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A bankrupt economy will sink this country faster than any outside threat.

I heard the Hannity interview. He didn't get pissed and he didn't walk off. It was very polite on both sides from what I heard of it. You must be thinking of the CNN interview that was edited to make it look like he stormed off but the unedited tape shows a different story. He has since said he has no interest in pursuing a 3rd party position.

From the Paul2012 website......

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http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/national-defense/


As an Air Force veteran, Ron Paul believes national defense is the single most important responsibility the Constitution entrusts to the federal government.

In Congress, Ron Paul voted to authorize military force to hunt down Osama bin Laden and authored legislation to specifically target terrorist leaders and bring them to justice.

Today, however, hundreds of thousands of our fighting men and women have been stretched thin all across the globe in over 135 countries � often without a clear mission, any sense of what defines victory, or the knowledge of when they�ll be permanently reunited with their families.

Acting as the world�s policeman and nation-building weakens our country, puts our troops in harm�s way, and sends precious resources to other nations in the midst of an historic economic crisis.

Taxpayers are forced to spend billions of dollars each year to protect the borders of other countries, while Washington refuses to deal with our own border security needs.

Congress has been rendered virtually irrelevant in foreign policy decisions and regularly cedes authority to an executive branch that refuses to be held accountable for its actions.

Far from defeating the enemy, our current policies provide incentive for more to take up arms against us.

That�s why, as Commander-in-Chief, Dr. Paul will lead the fight to:

* Make securing our borders the top national security priority.

* Avoid long and expensive land wars that bankrupt our country by using constitutional means to capture or kill terrorist leaders who helped attack the U.S. and continue to plot further attacks.

* Guarantee our intelligence community�s efforts are directed toward legitimate threats and not spying on innocent Americans through unconstitutional power grabs like the Patriot Act.

* End the nation-building that is draining troop morale, increasing our debt, and sacrificing lives with no end in sight.

* Follow the Constitution by asking Congress to declare war before one is waged.

* Only send our military into conflict with a clear mission and all the tools they need to complete the job � and then bring them home.

* Ensure our veterans receive the care, benefits, and honors they have earned when they return.

* Revitalize the military for the 21st century by eliminating waste in a trillion-dollar military budget.

* Prevent the TSA from forcing Americans to either be groped or ogled just to travel on an airplane and ultimately abolish the unconstitutional agency.

* Stop taking money from the middle class and the poor to give to rich dictators through foreign aid.

As President, Ron Paul�s national defense policy will ensure that the greatest nation in human history is strong, secure, and respected.
No, I'm talking about his Hannity interview after the last debate.
He did walk off.
Hannity had Rand Paul on the other day discussing it.

The quote you posted, I agree with everything, however, its not what he posts on his website that will get my vote, but rather his actions, past, and his debate performances. RP does not stand a chance.
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No, I'm talking about his Hannity interview after the last debate.
He did walk off.
Hannity had Rand Paul on the other day discussing it.

The quote you posted, I agree with everything, however, its not what he posts on his website that will get my vote, but rather his actions, past, and his debate performances. RP does not stand a chance.
I thought it was his foreign policy that you disagreed with?

Do you have a link to the Hannity walk off? All I can find is the Gloria Borger interview which has been debunked.

So what actions, past, and debate performances do you disagree with?
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I thought it was his foreign policy that you disagreed with?

Do you have a link to the Hannity walk off? All I can find is the Gloria Borger interview which has been debunked.

So what actions, past, and debate performances do you disagree with?
I cannot find the video. I watched it on the Hannity special after the last debate, and Hannity re-hashed it with Rand Paul a few days ago on his radio show.

I do not like RP's foreign policy. Yes, exactly. His stance on Iran is foolish.
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