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Old December 8th, 2011, 08:37 AM   #1
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Hey guys I just traded off my 97 expedition for a 99 f250 2wd super duty with the 5.4 and eventually would like to ge a 2 car hauler and wondering what's going to be the differences between the trailers as I'm not real familiar with goosenecks and 5th wheels. What are the benefitsof these type of trailers comared to he bumper pulls, also does anyone have any experience with the f250 and the 5.4, I would eventually like to get a diesel to replace this but seeing what I have into it at the moment I'm not gonna complain.
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Old December 8th, 2011, 08:46 AM   #2
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Gooseneck will pull better and not sway. The 5.4 will not like all the weight of 2 rigs and a trailer but will do the job
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in my experience goosenecks/5th wheels ride better, instead of putting the weight on the truck 3 ft behind the rear axle and making the truck bounch and buck on every bump they put the tongue weight directly over the rear axle.

That's about as scientific as my answer is going to get.
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Yea I figured the 5.4 would be smewhat of a dog trying to pull that much weight but it will only be 4-5 times a year if that, any thing I might be able to do to help it along As far as pulling goes ? The PO pulled the cat out, not real sure if it make a gas mileage difference or not but it don't sound bad, and it looks like I will start looking into adding a 5th wheel hitch for it as well.
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Gooseneck/5th wheels do pull nicer, and ride better, however, they dont track the same as a bumper pull......if you need to get into tighter spots the gooseneck can be a pain in the ass.

Me and my buddies pull double duties with our trailers, we haul wood on them too.....I have no problems in the woods with my bumper pull where my buddy complains that his GN is a PITA.

There are trade offs with both....good luck!
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Gooseneck/5th wheels do pull nicer, and ride better, however, they dont track the same as a bumper pull......if you need to get into tighter spots the gooseneck can be a pain in the ass.

Me and my buddies pull double duties with our trailers, we haul wood on them too.....I have no problems in the woods with my bumper pull where my buddy complains that his GN is a PITA.

There are trade offs with both....good luck!

I disagree. If I need to get into a tighter spot, I want the gooseneck. I can back in at a much tighter angle with the gooseneck. I can be slightly over 90 degrees with the gooseneck. You won't do that with a bumper pull.

For a car hauler pulling offroad Jeeps, do not go with a 5th wheel connection. A gooseneck has MUCH more flexibility in movement if you get in off camber situations where the truck and trailer get twisted around getting into someplace with a lot of hills or dips in the driveways, etc... I think I remember that a gooseneck typically has about 15* of movement to play with, while a gooseneck has at least 30*. I may be off on that some, but the GN has more room to move on the ball than a goose does on the plate.
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I disagree. If I need to get into a tighter spot, I want the gooseneck. I can back in at a much tighter angle with the gooseneck. I can be slightly over 90 degrees with the gooseneck. You won't do that with a bumper pull.

For a car hauler pulling offroad Jeeps, do not go with a 5th wheel connection. A gooseneck has MUCH more flexibility in movement if you get in off camber situations where the truck and trailer get twisted around getting into someplace with a lot of hills or dips in the driveways, etc... I think I remember that a gooseneck typically has about 15* of movement to play with, while a gooseneck has at least 30*. I may be off on that some, but the GN has more room to move on the ball than a goose does on the plate.
I agree with you when it comes to backing in that you can crank off a gooseneck much tighter, all I know is that when heading back into the woods, my buddy has a harder time on the tighter access trails.

It is all a matter of preference....I do plan on getting a gooseneck eventually, I just wanted to express that they do pull/track differently.
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Thanks for the advice guys, its greatly appreciated and i will be looking into adding the gooseneck options.
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For a car hauler pulling offroad rigs, do not go with a 5th wheel connection. A gooseneck has MUCH more flexibility in movement if you get in off camber situations where the truck and trailer get twisted around getting into someplace with a lot of hills or dips in the driveways, etc... I think I remember that a gooseneck typically has about 15* of movement to play with, while a gooseneck has at least 30*. I may be off on that some, but the GN has more room to move on the ball than a goose does on the plate.
I agree, except I don't think you could even get 15* of roll with a fifth wheel. Considering is a cylindrical pin in a straight walled slot. Any roll deflection has to come from the hitch frame, trailer frame, truck frame, or any combination of the 3.

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"5th wheels in general are design for more weight capacity and stability over flat or semiflat terrain. As they don't allow lateral movement you basicly are using you trailers frame to flex every time you are in a off camber angle such as turning out of a driveway. Great for big tall heavy loads on the freeway were stability is king.

Gooseneck by design have infinite articulation at all angled. Though generally rated slightly less than a fifthwheel. At the weight and size trailer you're talking about you will never notice a difference. Goosenecks are the only way to go if you ever plan in have g to hit up a roughy trailhead or use the trailer around the ranch and what not. Much more versatile IMHO.
Go goose you'll never regret it. Plus if you use a hideaway ball mount you still have you're enire bed utlility when you need it."
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I agree, except I don't think you could even get 15* of roll with a fifth wheel. Considering is a cylindrical pin in a straight walled slot. Any roll deflection has to come from the hitch frame, trailer frame, truck frame, or any combination of the 3.

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Gooseneck vs 5th wheel - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest

From Pirate -

"5th wheels in general are design for more weight capacity and stability over flat or semiflat terrain. As they don't allow lateral movement you basicly are using you trailers frame to flex every time you are in a off camber angle such as turning out of a driveway. Great for big tall heavy loads on the freeway were stability is king.

Gooseneck by design have infinite articulation at all angled. Though generally rated slightly less than a fifthwheel. At the weight and size trailer you're talking about you will never notice a difference. Goosenecks are the only way to go if you ever plan in have g to hit up a roughy trailhead or use the trailer around the ranch and what not. Much more versatile IMHO.
Go goose you'll never regret it. Plus if you use a hideaway ball mount you still have you're enire bed utlility when you need it."
All the 5th wheel hitched I have ever used have a pin that allows it to pivot side to side. In my work truck the rails are underneath the bed and there is 4 holes that go through the bed that the hitch mounts to so 4 pins and 4 bolts and I can POP the hitch out and i have nothing in the bed. It takes about 2 minutes.
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