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Old November 19th, 2011, 04:04 PM   #1
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Why is it that after god gives someone a disease or genetic defect and it takes a team of doctors and surgeons with millions of dollars in equipment and decades of combined training to fix it, people say its a miracle and thank god?
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Old November 19th, 2011, 04:27 PM   #2
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Why is it that after god gives someone a disease or genetic defect and it takes a team of doctors and surgeons with millions of dollars in equipment and decades of combined training to fix it, people say its a miracle and thank god?
Well strict christian believers will tell you that all talent is God given (even yours) and that the developments that allow Doctors to perform difficult surgery to save lives is a result of Gods gifts.
I find it interesting that some people die from the most insignificant injuries while some people that should be dead (after being in horrific accidents, trapped in machinery, etc ) are walking around with no sign of their previous injuries.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 04:27 PM   #3
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I've always thought the same thing. Its never thank you doctors, scientists, engineers, smart people who made this all possible.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 04:29 PM   #4
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Medicine is amazing.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 04:59 PM   #5
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Why is it that after god gives someone a disease or genetic defect and it takes a team of doctors and surgeons with millions of dollars in equipment and decades of combined training to fix it, people say its a miracle and thank god?



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I've always thought the same thing. Its never thank you doctors, scientists, engineers, smart people who made this all possible.
Actually, I know many people that have been healed by Dr's and have thanked them profusely. It's rude not to thank people.


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The Real thing that you guys are missing is the understanding of the Christian world view. Here's a rundown. You don't have to agree with it, but you could actually try to understand it as to be a more rounded, open minded+, individual.

God created our world and us. He created both to be perfect. The reason it was perfect is because God (the father) could be here with us. Once sin entered the world God (the father) could no longer be here. The definition of Sin is the Absence of God. We decided to exclude God from our lives. To tell him that our way was better. We disobeyed him.

Now we live in a broken world, designed to be perfect, We're broken people designed to be perfect. That's why disease is in the world. We're broken. It's not God's fault. We chose this route.

Even though we are still imperfect God can still use us and he has given us abilities specific to his purpose for our lives. Some people it's a mechanical mind, They can fix anything. Some people it's Managing people/thigns. Others it's the human body, how to fix it, how to make it better.

Dr's Have done an incredible amount of work to get to where they are. They deserve thanks. BUT God deserves thanks as well because he gave us the ability to understand our bodies. He gave us the ability to learn.

You may not understand it, or agree with it, but that's what we believe.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 05:02 PM   #6
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Medicine is amazing.
True, but Jesus is Magic!
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Old November 19th, 2011, 05:08 PM   #7
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So what you are saying is god got pissed and bailed on us because some bitch ate a apple?

He refuses to come back to make things perfect because of something that happend thousand of years ago, and is holding a grudge against us, who didnt do any thing to make him mad.

Correct?
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Old November 19th, 2011, 05:25 PM   #8
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So what you are saying is god got pissed and bailed on us because some bitch ate a apple?

He refuses to come back to make things perfect because of something that happend thousand of years ago, and is holding a grudge against us, who didnt do any thing to make him mad.

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Nope. Not at all.

God isn't pissed at us. He's sad. Not to many pissed people give up thier son on a cross to get the people they are pissed at back with them.

This is where people get confused. They think God left us. Not true, We left God. When Eve AND ADAM ate the fruit they made the choice to walk away from God; To disobey him and follow what they thought was right.

The other misconception is that God is holding a grudge against us. Also, not true. Once again, God is waiting, arms open, for us to come back to him. He even sent his son to give us a way back to him.

God is not a Guy up in the sky smashing us down with his fingers, nor is he mad at us. He loves us and is waiting for US to come back to him.

Also, he did come back to prepare the way to make thigns perfect. That's what Jesus did, and will do.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 05:26 PM   #9
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So what you are saying is god got pissed and bailed on us because some bitch ate a apple?

He refuses to come back to make things perfect because of something that happend thousand of years ago, and is holding a grudge against us, who didnt do any thing to make him mad.

Correct?
His plan is to come back. Jesus is the plan. When He comes back He will judge the earth and all in it. He wants everybody to be with Him, thats why he is waiting till everybody has had a chance to accept Him or deny Him. His word needs to be spread to all areas of the world and with sattelite it is happening.
We need to get on the Jesus bus.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 05:36 PM   #10
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Well, theres no better time than now for him to come back, so why hasnt he? Im not anti got by any means, but the story telling is fubared.
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Well, theres no better time than now for him to come back, so why hasnt he? Im not anti got by any means, but the story telling is fubared.
Because when he comes back those that haven't accept him as savior will not be able to be with God. AKA, Will go to hell. He's waiting for as many people as possible to accept him.

Sin is what separates us from God. By pure definition (theological) Sin is the absence of God. When we are sinning, we are deciding to EXCLUDE God from that part of our life. Jesus gave us the ability take care of that separation and be with God. Both now, and in eternity.

Once agian, It's not God being mean, It's God Waiting and showing mercy to those who have not yet taken care of that separation.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 06:45 PM   #12
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So where does the tooth fairy fall into the mix?
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Old November 19th, 2011, 06:49 PM   #13
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Jesus was an actual person. It's pretty excepted by both biblical and Secular Historians. The Miracles and resurrection not so much proven, but that's part of the faith.

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Jesus was an actual person. It's pretty excepted by both biblical and Secular Historians. The Miracles and resurrection not so much proven, but that's part of the faith.

proofs?
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Jesus was an actual person. It's pretty excepted by both biblical and Secular Historians. The Miracles and resurrection not so much proven, but that's part of the faith.

Oh, I see. I'm sorry, my bad.....
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why is there so much of this stuff on here now ?? maybe we should change the name to godlakes4x4
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why is there so much of this stuff on here now ?? maybe we should change the name to godlakes4x4
The non-believers would throw a fit. That is why we try and keep it to PGRforum
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That is all.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 09:12 PM   #19
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proofs?
Did a quick google search.

First oneish I cam up with

I read about alot of it in a book called "the historical Jesus". Can't remember who wrote it.

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why is there so much of this stuff on here now ?? maybe we should change the name to godlakes4x4
To be fair, most of the conversations have been started by other, mostly anti/not Christian people. I try not to talk about it unless someone else brings it up. Not my fault other people have been bringing it up.

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I thought Rockstar was the new Jesus. Somebody nail him to a tree and see what happens (it will be on YouTube later)
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