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View Poll Results: Who will win Governor
Devos 30 50.85%
Granholm 13 22.03%
Kick Cube in the junk... 16 27.12%
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Old October 16th, 2006, 02:44 PM   #21
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I think that Devos will kick Granholm in the junk, and then Cube will be the new govenor.

Seriously though, I think that Devos will do it. Not because he is better, but there is enough anti-granholm people to vote Charles Manson in before Granholm.
depends on who UAW is supporting.. usually they support dems..
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Old October 16th, 2006, 02:45 PM   #22
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Yes, running a budget is difficult. I'm sure Devos will just add some of his money help out the state so you might as well vote for him

.......he's the guy who earned his money selling Elmo doll's, isn't he? Nope wrong guy sorry.

Sorry CMUjeeper, just couldn't help myself!!!
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.......he's the guy who earned his money selling Elmo doll's, isn't he? Nope wrong guy sorry.

Sorry CMUjeeper, just couldn't help myself!!!
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Hopefully Devos...

Moley moley needs to go before the state is abandoned.
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Old October 16th, 2006, 09:20 PM   #25
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I find it entertaining that Cube's junk is in a solid second place, with a commanding lead on Granholm.

I don't know that it matters a great deal which one wins.

MI's economy is not the doing of Granholm, nor Engler before her. It's also not the doing of Dubya or Klinton before him. MI's economy is the net result of "having all of your eggs in one basket".

MI is dependent upon the domestic auto business, which has a number of serious challenges, such as unsustainable union contracts, bankrupting legacy healthcare costs, a product mix heavy on high-margin/low MPG/big ticket trucks & SUVs, a virtual surrender of the "family car" segment to imports, mostly uninspiring new products, and a seemingly unbeatable perception that their quality is second-rate.

MI's economy will get better if:

a) the domestic auto business gets better - in a big way (unlikely to happen soon)
b) the MI economy gets diversified (long term)
c) non-big 3 auto companies see MI as an attractive place to do business (longer term, but a business-friendly Governor can help a little)

I've seen a lot of new material from top-notch economists over the last few weeks - and although they differ on details, all agree that the view for MI is bleak until 2010 or later. It's generally agreed that it'll be 2010 before MI sees employment numbers like 2000 (i.e four or more years to get where we were six years ago, if we're lucky).

I don't see a lot of difference between them. He's pro-life, and she's pro-choice. Big deal - governors won't be re-deciding that, if it should be revisited.

He thinks it's OK to present intelligent design alongside Darwin, she says Darwin stands alone. They're both theories, and I think kids stand to learn more by learning that there are multiple viewpoints. However, I don't look to a governor for school cirriculum design (that's what Hacksaw is for).

The fact that Granholm's best pitch is to paint a distorted picture of DeVos is troublesome. Note: he DID NOT MOVE MI JOBS TO CHINA - he did eliminate jobs in MI and - in a seperate and unrelated move - build a facility in China to serve the exploding Chinese market, as required by Chinese law.

The fact that his best stuff is pointing out her inability to get Honda to build a plant in MI (face it, that's not gonna happen as long as there's a UAW - I don't care WHO is governor) is also weak.

Neither one is particularly inspiring. They both would pass the Ross Perot "would you leave your kids with them?" test. For me, it's DeVos for the sake of change and because he has a better (albeit still slim)chance of driving some diversification of this economy.
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I find it entertaining that Cube's junk is in a solid second place, with a commanding lead on Granholm.

I don't know that it matters a great deal which one wins.

MI's economy is not the doing of Granholm, nor Engler before her. It's also not the doing of Dubya or Klinton before him. MI's economy is the net result of "having all of your eggs in one basket".

MI is dependent upon the domestic auto business, which has a number of serious challenges, such as unsustainable union contracts, bankrupting legacy healthcare costs, a product mix heavy on high-margin/low MPG/big ticket trucks & SUVs, a virtual surrender of the "family car" segment to imports, mostly uninspiring new products, and a seemingly unbeatable perception that their quality is second-rate.

MI's economy will get better if:

a) the domestic auto business gets better - in a big way (unlikely to happen soon)
b) the MI economy gets diversified (long term)
c) non-big 3 auto companies see MI as an attractive place to do business (longer term, but a business-friendly Governor can help a little)

I've seen a lot of new material from top-notch economists over the last few weeks - and although they differ on details, all agree that the view for MI is bleak until 2010 or later. It's generally agreed that it'll be 2010 before MI sees employment numbers like 2000 (i.e four or more years to get where we were six years ago, if we're lucky).

I don't see a lot of difference between them. He's pro-life, and she's pro-choice. Big deal - governors won't be re-deciding that, if it should be revisited.

He thinks it's OK to present intelligent design alongside Darwin, she says Darwin stands alone. They're both theories, and I think kids stand to learn more by learning that there are multiple viewpoints. However, I don't look to a governor for school cirriculum design (that's what Hacksaw is for).

The fact that Granholm's best pitch is to paint a distorted picture of DeVos is troublesome. Note: he DID NOT MOVE MI JOBS TO CHINA - he did eliminate jobs in MI and - in a seperate and unrelated move - build a facility in China to serve the exploding Chinese market, as required by Chinese law.

The fact that his best stuff is pointing out her inability to get Honda to build a plant in MI (face it, that's not gonna happen as long as there's a UAW - I don't care WHO is governor) is also weak.

Neither one is particularly inspiring. They both would pass the Ross Perot "would you leave your kids with them?" test. For me, it's DeVos for the sake of change and because he has a better (albeit still slim)chance of driving some diversification of this economy.
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Duffman summed my thoughts up to a T.
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Either way we will be screaming for someone else in 4 years.
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Well put Duffman, it is the industries and companies that have to make the decision to turn us around. The unions are screaming to support them while they take us down with their demands.

I do however find it amusing that Jenni blames the President for our demise. Doubt he called up companies and told them to pick other states over MI. Since the economy is strong in other states it is us and not DC that is the problem. That is what the politicians need to address. Make MI worthwhile to do business in, not drive it away with high paid unions who coddle non-productive workers.
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I find it entertaining that Cube's junk is in a solid second place, with a commanding lead on Granholm.

I don't know that it matters a great deal which one wins.

MI's economy is not the doing of Granholm, nor Engler before her. It's also not the doing of Dubya or Klinton before him. MI's economy is the net result of "having all of your eggs in one basket".

MI is dependent upon the domestic auto business, which has a number of serious challenges, such as unsustainable union contracts, bankrupting legacy healthcare costs, a product mix heavy on high-margin/low MPG/big ticket trucks & SUVs, a virtual surrender of the "family car" segment to imports, mostly uninspiring new products, and a seemingly unbeatable perception that their quality is second-rate.

MI's economy will get better if:

a) the domestic auto business gets better - in a big way (unlikely to happen soon)
b) the MI economy gets diversified (long term)
c) non-big 3 auto companies see MI as an attractive place to do business (longer term, but a business-friendly Governor can help a little)

I've seen a lot of new material from top-notch economists over the last few weeks - and although they differ on details, all agree that the view for MI is bleak until 2010 or later. It's generally agreed that it'll be 2010 before MI sees employment numbers like 2000 (i.e four or more years to get where we were six years ago, if we're lucky).

I don't see a lot of difference between them. He's pro-life, and she's pro-choice. Big deal - governors won't be re-deciding that, if it should be revisited.

He thinks it's OK to present intelligent design alongside Darwin, she says Darwin stands alone. They're both theories, and I think kids stand to learn more by learning that there are multiple viewpoints. However, I don't look to a governor for school cirriculum design (that's what Hacksaw is for).

The fact that Granholm's best pitch is to paint a distorted picture of DeVos is troublesome. Note: he DID NOT MOVE MI JOBS TO CHINA - he did eliminate jobs in MI and - in a seperate and unrelated move - build a facility in China to serve the exploding Chinese market, as required by Chinese law.

The fact that his best stuff is pointing out her inability to get Honda to build a plant in MI (face it, that's not gonna happen as long as there's a UAW - I don't care WHO is governor) is also weak.

Neither one is particularly inspiring. They both would pass the Ross Perot "would you leave your kids with them?" test. For me, it's DeVos for the sake of change and because he has a better (albeit still slim)chance of driving some diversification of this economy.

So what you're telling me is to stay in Minnesota. Gotcha. Well at the very least there is a lake between me and that mess (cmu)too.
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Someone needs to see if Ted Nugent is available or not doing anything. Hell all the other states are electing thier famous people! Maybe Madonna or Eminem wouldn't mind coming back "home" to serve a term....
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Well put Duffman, Make MI worthwhile to do business in, not drive it away with high paid unions who coddle non-productive workers.



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It's hard to work out of the hole that Engler left her in and then when the economy turned for the worse the hole got deeper. She's trimmed fat from many areas just to keep MI running. From personal experience in MI higher education, CMU is much more efficent since our budget was reduced.

Meanwhile, the economy EVERYWHERE ELSE is taking off and the Dow Jones is setting records. But Michigan in the past 4 years has continued a nosedive of epic proportions. Michigan is #1 in home foreclosures. Michigan is #1 in families LEAVING the state to find jobs. You can try to blame her failures on the economy, but it is bullshit. Every other state in the nation has turned around or is in the process of it. We are still on a long downslide with no end in sight. At this rate, we should be a cesspool of Democratic socialism in no time. Because anyone that is capable of making any type of intelligent decision will have moved to another state if they can't find jobs. That leaves the rest of us with education and JOBS to support the druggies, homeless, undergrads, and welfare people.
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Someone needs to see if Ted Nugent is available or not doing anything. Hell all the other states are electing thier famous people! Maybe Madonna or Eminem wouldn't mind coming back "home" to serve a term....
I heard Ted Nugent bailed on us and moved to another state. I cant remember which state but I heard his house had termites so he just bailed. Could be a rumor?
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