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Old July 26th, 2011, 10:54 AM   #21
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I know I can take a class 6 truck (under CDL) and convert it to an RV simple enough. My question is can I take a class 7 or 8 and convert it to an RV, or since it is over 26K lbs, can it not be converted? Anyone know if the RV laws are the same as OTR regarding weight ratings and CDL?

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Old July 26th, 2011, 04:47 PM   #22
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I have read on a few conversionboards not to put "Not for hire", but instead put "Private RV".
I think that would be perfect and straight to the point of what it is.
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does anyone have a link to the SOS website that shows what is needed in a truck to classify it as an RV? I keep reading online it is a checklist of 6 or 7 things, and you have to have 3 of them.

I went to the SOS today and they were clueless. They tried to find better info, but eventually they just gave me a vehicle inspection form (TR-54), told me to get a weigh slip and have a policeman come out for an inspection. The inspection form they gave me is just a generic vehicle inspection form, and doesn't say anything about RV's. They also gave me a certification form (TR-34). They said to write into the certification form that the vehicle is now an RV and explian what modifications I did to the vehicle. They also said to include any reciepts that I might have.
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Old August 16th, 2011, 01:52 PM   #24
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Old August 16th, 2011, 02:06 PM   #25
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The folks in the local SOS offices have a contact number they can give you to the team in Lansing that has the information - you just have to find the right staffer who understands what you need so they get you the right number.
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Hearsay only but I know Jim Mazzola did not need to get a CDL for his totorhome. He was stopped at Canadian customs for a couple hours before they ended up letting him go.
If I was a customs agent I would have stopped Jim at the boarder no matter what he was driving.
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this is the best I can find, taken from
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So that being said you put in a microwave and a bed and its good to go right?
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Once again I see people talking about stickers on trucks that say "Private Owner - Not for Hire". There is NOTHING in the law about these stickers. ..........If they even remotely think you are pulling for compensation, or involved in activities that might make money such as racing for a prize purse, you can be held to all DOT and commercial driving laws.
Michigan law states 'Recreational Vehicle' as the requirement for RV's driven personally and without a CDL. Michigan is one of a few states that does not require a CDL or some sort of special license. Some states have a motorhome license requirement if it's over 26,000#. I don't know why but I'm not going to stir up a hornets nest. I think Michigan's recreation lobbiest are pretty powerful in this state.

And you are 100% correct on 'suspected activities' If you parade around a sickered up rock crawler on a open deck trailer, or if they peek inside an enclosed trailer and see what appears to be a competition vehicle, your goose could be cooked. You can't do anyting remotely commercial which include going to R&V and coming home with $100 in your pocket for winning. YOUR COMMERCIAL then. You can't even tow a friends vehicle if he/she is not with you as they will presume you are being paid to transport it. Their getting more strict.



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I have read on a few conversionboards not to put "Not for hire", but instead put "Private RV".
As I indicated above, 'Recreation Vehicle' is the only thing that works.

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Hearsay only but I know Jim Mazzola did not need to get a CDL for his totorhome. He was stopped at Canadian customs for a couple hours before they ended up letting him go.
HAHAHA, the US customs dudes don't even know their own laws! I had to go to the back and get my SOS copy of the law and show them. Except when I got back to the front the female customs officer had already straightened the other guy. His only response was; 'they really let you drive this thing?' I told him to go look at my record and he'll see that I have a perfect record, and I've been driving big motorhomes for over 30 years. So then they decided to X-ray my truck. lolo! It's been X-rayed a few times now. Last time they emerged from my truck on an inspection they were elated they actually found a violation.......I had a dam bag of oranges. For those who don't know, citrus transport is not allowed. Even though we had bought them in the US and were simply bringing them back.

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If I was a customs agent I would have stopped Jim at the boarder no matter what he was driving.
hahaha, no shit! It's not going across that's the bitch, it's coming home that they get all up in my face over it.

As far as what's required. Three modifications; Sleeping, cooking, and bathroom from my recollection. They must be permanently installed. But I do believe porta potties will work if their placed in a room.
I will go see if I can find my documentation.

My Class 8 Freightliner is well in excess of 35,000#. I know I have a stated 40,000 towing capacity with the rig. NO CDl, and NO airbrake endorsement required so long as it's used for personal recreation purposes.

The one thing I can say after almost 4 years with this rig, be prepared to be looked at ALL the time by police, ICC enforcement, and customs officials. Even the OPP likes to check me out. I have Labor Day truck inspection to prove it. However, it's funny as shit when you can drive right by every single scale without stopping. It pisses off the OTR truckers all the time. They don't think it's fair. I also get mixed reception by some drivers. Some are cool with it but some are outright nasty, and make it perfectly clear on the radio when they pass you.

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Old September 27th, 2011, 09:55 AM   #30
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As far as what's required. Three modifications; Sleeping, cooking, and bathroom from my recollection. They must be permanently installed. But I do believe porta potties will work if their placed in a room.
I will go see if I can find my documentation.
Any update on the docs?

Also, do you carry any printed out laws for when customs gives you problems? If so, what exactly do you have printed out?
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Are you f-ing kidding? That's awesome! I can't wait to see the finished product.
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Going to look sweet with "Ironman Offroad" on the side of it!!!
How goes the loading ramp?
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Are you f-ing kidding? That's awesome! I can't wait to see the finished product.
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How goes the loading ramp?
Ramp is good. The electric winch is doubled back so it is slow, and a lot louder than I thought it would be. I will have to figure out a better system for that. I'm still thinking a pneumatic ramp setup would be sweet somehow.

The Ironman Offroad stickers will have to be small, I'm trying to avoid DOT regs and stickers just grab attention.

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Ramp is good. The electric winch is doubled back so it is slow, and a lot louder than I thought it would be. I will have to figure out a better system for that. I'm still thinking a pneumatic ramp setup would be sweet somehow.

The Ironman Offroad stickers will have to be small, I'm trying to avoid DOT regs and stickers just grab attention.
You may want to look at electric operated hydralic system. Air gets real irratic when using it to lift. Back to the lift gate parts again.

I understand with the graphics. Just the marketing manager thinking out loud.
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My dad is in the middle of a build right now. He started with a similar truck, Friegtliner FL70 expeditor truck with a 5' sleeper and 22' van body. He cut the top of the sleeper off and used used it for the front of the box that goes over the cab like a class c motorhome would have. Then he slid the box forward 5' to the back of the cab. From there he cut off the back portion of the frame and boxed in a garage area. It is only 9' deep I think, but all he wanted it for was a golf cart, motorcycle and possibly a quarter midget that my nephew races.

Here are some somewhat current pics of it. It is a mess in the pics from sitting in the shop for a couple of years.







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Looking great.

How long is that? Pretty sure 45 feet is the max nationally(40 in some states)(65 with trailer total in many states). 35 feet is the max in some National parks. May need to call ahead to make sure you can park that in some parks.

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