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Old October 19th, 2011, 10:45 AM   #21
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No Catholics in my Childhood Thank God, However you seem rather homophobic




I have nothing figured out, quoting some Dale Carnegie while on a Rant is hardly having things figured out, No problem with your God, Issue is the Perversions of Organized Religion and the fact that We as a Society Tolerate it
I have a Problem With people That Capitalize non proper Nouns inside Of Sentences.



I know, its for emphasis right?
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Old October 19th, 2011, 04:31 PM   #22
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Your proposal is to toss out the baby with the bathwater then?

P.S. Are you a troll?

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No Catholics in my Childhood Thank God, However you seem rather homophobic

I have nothing figured out, quoting some Dale Carnegie while on a Rant is hardly having things figured out, No problem with your God, Issue is the Perversions of Organized Religion and the fact that We as a Society Tolerate it
We kind of have to tolerate it because of our constitution though. Do you have issue with perversions of other organized things, or just Religions?
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Old October 19th, 2011, 08:18 PM   #24
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Your proposal is to toss out the baby with the bathwater then?

P.S. Are you a troll?

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I would say troll. A troll that believes what he has been told about organized religion(Christianity) without actually studying the truth behind what Christians believe.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 02:49 AM   #25
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Your proposal is to toss out the baby with the bathwater then?

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We kind of have to tolerate it because of our constitution though. Do you have issue with perversions of other organized things, or just Religions?
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I would say troll. A troll that believes what he has been told about organized religion(Christianity) without actually studying the truth behind what Christians believe.
I call out your Pedophile Child Raping Holocaust denying Religion and this is the discourse?

What do Christians believe?? That a Nazi youth Pope whom from his exalted throne condones and protects from prosecution the Rape of thousands of innocents by the men of your so called Christian belief will lead you all into Heaven some day

So tell me Christian solider what have you done to stop the Roman Catholic Pedophile ring your Christian beliefs condone and the whole Holocaust denial thing turning your collective backs on Millions of Women and Children while they Starved to Death because you all were to busy counting Nazi Gold

hyp·o·crite   [hip-uh-krit]
noun

1. A person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

2. A person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

See you all in Hell at least I earned my ticket, to burn as a hypocrite pedophile worshiping fool in a circle of Hell even the Devil himself avoids has got to suck

Good luck with that whole pearly gate thing you figure is your reward I don't Think the old man is going to be impressed as you are of your Christian beliefs and the hell on earth it has spawned
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I call out your Pedophile Child Raping Holocaust denying Religion and this is the discourse?

What do Christians believe?? That a Nazi youth Pope whom from his exalted throne condones and protects from prosecution the Rape of thousands of innocents by the men of your so called Christian belief will lead you all into Heaven some day

So tell me Christian solider what have you done to stop the Roman Catholic Pedophile ring your Christian beliefs condone and the whole Holocaust denial thing turning your collective backs on Millions of Women and Children while they Starved to Death because you all were to busy counting Nazi Gold

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2. A person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

See you all in Hell at least I earned my ticket, to burn as a hypocrite pedophile worshiping fool in a circle of Hell even the Devil himself avoids has got to suck

Good luck with that whole pearly gate thing you figure is your reward I don't Think the old man is going to be impressed as you are of your Christian beliefs and the hell on earth it has spawned
Whoah whoah whoah...back the trolley up... Christian does not equal Catholic.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 12:18 PM   #28
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Scooter knows whats up.
Seriously.

Calling someone a "Catholic" and attributing everything horrid ever performed in the name of God is as SPECIFIC as calling someone human and accusing them of the same crimes, i.e. being neither Catholic nor Human is a satisfactory definition of murder / rape / molestation / et al.

God gave people free will, and hopes they will do their best to live good lives and be loving, caring members of society. That's the funny thing about free will - most have it, and some of the number that have it care for nothing other than themselves. Consider this when looking at things you find wrong with religion: those that abuse their free will and impose it upon others will do what is needed to remain in a beneficial situation (power).

Go one step further - and let's use one of your examples: Molestation of children by priests. Without diving into the debate of why there have been many cases of this in the Catholic church, the one MAJOR reason it was covered up is because the Catholic church (as you rise up within the organization) is quite the profitable business. Again - this is not the responsibility of God, remember the whole free will thing - but more the reaction of a big-business cover up. Priests molesting boys is definitely bad for business - and MEN high up in the organization (often driven by greed despite their divine responsibilities) take action to keep the info covered up.

Not much different than any big business that does voluntary "quiet" recalls. You think Toyota really cared about floormat placement and shimming accelerator pedals during their recall for the unintended acceleration problems? They knew they skipped vital redundant torque security algoritms - so when you took your car in for the diversion, they actually reflashed the controller with code that had added security against the runaway problems. Save face, save money (by not driving customers away).

If someone says they're Christian / catholic / muslim / etc - it is impossible to lump them in with whatever Stereotypical bad image you hold for them:

Not all Muslims want to kill you;
Not all Mormons have multiple wives;
Not all Catholics accept and condone the bad things done in the name of the lord in the past.

Why I say "To each his own".

Scott & Aber will never change your views, just as you won't change theirs - the whole free will thing again. They chose to have faith in Jesus Christ and both do their best to live as they think Christians should. Just because of Christianity's bumpy past doesn't mean that you should attempt to "measure" Christians with that particular yardstick.

Personally, I try to evaluate everyone on a personal basis first before I develop an opinion about them. :)
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Old October 20th, 2011, 01:40 PM   #29
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Seriously.

Calling someone a "Catholic" and attributing everything horrid ever performed in the name of God is as SPECIFIC as calling someone human and accusing them of the same crimes, i.e. being neither Catholic nor Human is a satisfactory definition of murder / rape / molestation / et al.

God gave people free will, and hopes they will do their best to live good lives and be loving, caring members of society. That's the funny thing about free will - most have it, and some of the number that have it care for nothing other than themselves. Consider this when looking at things you find wrong with religion: those that abuse their free will and impose it upon others will do what is needed to remain in a beneficial situation (power).

Go one step further - and let's use one of your examples: Molestation of children by priests. Without diving into the debate of why there have been many cases of this in the Catholic church, the one MAJOR reason it was covered up is because the Catholic church (as you rise up within the organization) is quite the profitable business. Again - this is not the responsibility of God, remember the whole free will thing - but more the reaction of a big-business cover up. Priests molesting boys is definitely bad for business - and MEN high up in the organization (often driven by greed despite their divine responsibilities) take action to keep the info covered up.

Not much different than any big business that does voluntary "quiet" recalls. You think Toyota really cared about floormat placement and shimming accelerator pedals during their recall for the unintended acceleration problems? They knew they skipped vital redundant torque security algoritms - so when you took your car in for the diversion, they actually reflashed the controller with code that had added security against the runaway problems. Save face, save money (by not driving customers away).

If someone says they're Christian / catholic / muslim / etc - it is impossible to lump them in with whatever Stereotypical bad image you hold for them:

Not all Muslims want to kill you;
Not all Mormons have multiple wives;
Not all Catholics accept and condone the bad things done in the name of the lord in the past.

Why I say "To each his own".

Scott & Aber will never change your views, just as you won't change theirs - the whole free will thing again. They chose to have faith in Jesus Christ and both do their best to live as they think Christians should. Just because of Christianity's bumpy past doesn't mean that you should attempt to "measure" Christians with that particular yardstick.

Personally, I try to evaluate everyone on a personal basis first before I develop an opinion about them. :)
Thank you for your well thought out response and yes I am guilty as hell for stereotyping a group and taking my frustrations out on them with out considering we are all individuals with the free will to do as we please

I am truly sorry if anyone was offended by my rant it was not meant to be a personal attack but I went there anyways removing all doubt is snafu an idiot

Thank you for the reality check my ego could stand to be knocked down more often than not
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Duuuude - not meant as a check to your ego - just more to say while you bring up valid and real atrocities / crimes, not all hold those same values. :)

Besides - you know it already and were just ranting - I don't see you as an idiot: we all have our off days.
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Whoah whoah whoah...back the trolley up... Christian does not equal Catholic.
x2. The actions of humans and organized religion do not always reflect the scripture they're based upon. It's part of the equation that all humans are flawed. This is what separates us from the perfection of God. A chasm that we are not fit to cross and therefore rely on the sacrifice of God's son as the payment for the imperfections and sins we are born into.
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So tell me Christian solider what have you done to stop the Roman Catholic Pedophile ring your Christian beliefs condone and the whole Holocaust denial thing turning your collective backs on Millions of Women and Children while they Starved to Death because you all were to busy counting Nazi Gold
For the record, I wasn't alive during the Holocaust.
I'm only 26.
I'm also not Roman Catholic.

I give to charities very often and have sponsored children through world vision. I've raised hundreds of Dollars for that organization and others that impact children and families everywhere. The Tithe that I give at church allows the church to help out the community in many ways. Not to mentio the multiple missionaries that our specific church sponsors. Mostly people helping people in third world countries.

All those things are things that you'll find most Christians doing that go to church. Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, ETC. That's what WE'VE done. What have you done?

I understand you were just ranting but we're just trying to have a conversation. Not yelling, not Debating, just talking. It's what we do.

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Seriously.

Calling someone a "Catholic" and attributing everything horrid ever performed in.......................
That's what I was trying to get at.



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Thank you for your well thought out response and yes I am guilty as hell for stereotyping a group and taking my frustrations out on them with out considering we are all individuals with the free will to do as we please

I am truly sorry if anyone was offended by my rant it was not meant to be a personal attack but I went there anyways removing all doubt is snafu an idiot

Thank you for the reality check my ego could stand to be knocked down more often than not
Wasn't offended, just wanted to talk about why you thought that. Still interested to find out.
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x2. The actions of humans and organized religion do not always reflect the scripture they're based upon. It's part of the equation that all humans are flawed. This is what separates us from the perfection of God. A chasm that we are not fit to cross and therefore rely on the sacrifice of God's son as the payment for the imperfections and sins we are born into.
John 3:16

Amen Brother have come across John 3:16 scrawled on the wall in the worst of places seems to be the closer to Hell you travel the more you will find John 3:16 on the wall like a ray of Sunshine it has carried many a junkie through hell I know it has saved my limited sanity more than once


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For the record, I wasn't alive during the Holocaust.
I'm only 26.
I'm also not Roman Catholic.

I give to charities very often and have sponsored children through world vision. I've raised hundreds of Dollars for that organization and others that impact children and families everywhere. The Tithe that I give at church allows the church to help out the community in many ways. Not to mentio the multiple missionaries that our specific church sponsors. Mostly people helping people in third world countries.

All those things are things that you'll find most Christians doing that go to church. Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, ETC. That's what WE'VE done. What have you done?

Not much spent years tying to do the right things for the wrong reasons n Karma handed me my ass in a big way more than once I'm no stranger to shame yet my ego still seems to get the best of my posed integrity every time

Still can't seem to get it right um humbleness is a lot harder to accomplish than one would think, uphill battle everyday to do something for the right reason not what satisfies my ego


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Seriously.

Calling someone a "Catholic" and attributing everything horrid ever performed in the name of ........
That's what I was trying to get at.

Humbled point made

I understand you were just ranting but we're just trying to have a conversation. Not yelling, not Debating, just talking. It's what we do.




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Thank you for your well thought out response and yes I am guilty as hell for stereotyping a group and taking my frustrations out on them with out considering we are all individuals with the free will to do as we please

I am truly sorry if anyone was offended by my rant it was not meant to be a personal attack but I went there anyways removing all doubt is snafu an idiot

Thank you for the reality check my ego could stand to be knocked down more often than not



Wasn't offended, just wanted to talk about why you thought that. Still interested to find out.

I don't understand why we as a society let these atrocities continue Jesus kicked the snakes out of his shrine, should we not follow his example?
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