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Old October 18th, 2011, 03:17 PM   #21
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That was what I was getting at....
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Maybe so, maybe no. Some people are so driven to have children, I would bet it is possible. I'm happy I was born (relatively) normal.
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so by that logic wouldn't every kid raised by a gay guy who had sex with a woman turn out at least partially gay because of his nurture rather than his nature?

What about the kids who unfortunately have a man man parent situation or a woman woman parent situation, shouldn't they all turn out gay too?
I had a Kid on my bus that had two mom's. He was Flaming Heterosexual.

I think you guys are trying to make black and white out of gray. Just like everything else in life, I think it's a balance. I also think that the only genetic predisposition could be 'bi'. If you were Genetically Homosexual you would be grossed out by women (that would be why you like men) in the same way that most of us guys are grossed out by guy on guy action.

If having sex with a man was the only way to have a child would you guys (the ones saying that you do anything if you want children enough) be willing to have sex with a man to do it?

I'm against the homosexuality. I think it's a Perversion of what God designed between a man and women. I'm NOT against Homosexuals. They are people and God still loves them.
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Choice, genetic, wired wrong.... What difference does it make in regards to

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It doesnt say "unless you are gay"

I like Cain till he decided to say this. I respect his right to his opinion, but I have lost faith that he will not be able to separate his opinion from upholding the Constitution.

Which bring me to another point I an a co-worker were discussing today.... Eventually one of the Republicans in the race will be running against Obama. Why do they continually feel the need to say stupid things? Bachman with her "Ill have gas at $2.25 per gallon." Perry with "Ill put X number of people back to work by the end of my first term." They all purport themselves to be Conservatives.... Run on an actual conservative ideology, keep your mouth shut and remember you are running against Obama.
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I find it hard to believe that its not a choice in most circumstances. It seems like these days there are A LOT of gay people.
ALOT in regards to what? The total population of the US, the world, Florida?
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It doesnt say "unless you are gay"

I like Cain till he decided to say this. I respect his right to his opinion, but I have lost faith that he will not be able to separate his opinion from upholding the Constitution.

Which bring me to another point I an a co-worker were discussing today.... Eventually one of the Republicans in the race will be running against Obama. Why do they continually feel the need to say stupid things? Bachman with her "Ill have gas at $2.25 per gallon." Perry with "Ill put X number of people back to work by the end of my first term." They all purport themselves to be Conservatives.... Run on an actual conservative ideology, keep your mouth shut and remember you are running against Obama.
He never excluded them (homosexuals) in any of those things in the first video posted. I also don't feel like Marriage is included in those things. Civil unions, sure. But I think it's completely constitutional to say marriage is for A man and woman only. As long as there is an option for Homosexuals to have the same rights as a marriage.

I agree with you on the second part. They just need to keep thier mouth shut.
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He never excluded them (homosexuals) in any of those things in the first video posted. I also don't feel like Marriage is included in those things. Civil unions, sure. But I think it's completely constitutional to say marriage is for A man and woman only. As long as there is an option for Homosexuals to have the same rights as a marriage.

I agree with you on the second part. They just need to keep thier mouth shut.
You're right, he didn't. But he opened the door and put the doubt in my mind.

I dont see any room in the Constitution for a marriage clause. Suggesting that only 1 man and 1 woman may marry starts to infringe on others right to pursue their happiness. Marriage itself is a religious ceremony between the 2 people getting married and their God. The only thing the Government needs to do is recognize the legal aspect of 2 people getting married.

I dont buy into the idea that Homosexuals getting married is a threat to the sanctity of traditional marriage. It in no way decreases the legitimacy of my marriage to my wife.
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You're right, he didn't. But he opened the door and put the doubt in my mind.

I dont see any room in the Constitution for a marriage clause. Suggesting that only 1 man and 1 woman may marry starts to infringe on others right to pursue their happiness. Marriage itself is a religious ceremony between the 2 people getting married and their God. The only thing the Government needs to do is recognize the legal aspect of 2 people getting married.

I dont buy into the idea that Homosexuals getting married is a threat to the sanctity of traditional marriage. It in no way decreases the legitimacy of my marriage to my wife.
I kind of agree. Let's call it something other then marriage though. I'd be glad to be in a civil union with my wife in the Government's eyes and Married in God's. Marriage is a Sacred event in my faith and, IMO, is designed to be a man and women. The parallels used in the Bible to marriage and the church are pretty substantial. In the bibles definition and use of Marriage it doesn't work with Homosexual marriage. That's the issue that most Christians have. I don't see why they just can't call it something different.

If homosexuals really want to just be happy then they can get a Civil union like any other couple. If they want a marriage they'll have to work that work that out with a church.
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I kind of agree. Let's call it something other then marriage though. I'd be glad to be in a civil union with my wife in the Government's eyes and Married in God's. Marriage is a Sacred event in my faith and, IMO, is designed to be a man and women. The parallels used in the Bible to marriage and the church are pretty substantial. In the bibles definition and use of Marriage it doesn't work with Homosexual marriage. That's the issue that most Christians have. I don't see why they just can't call it something different.

If homosexuals really want to just be happy then they can get a Civil union like any other couple. If they want a marriage they'll have to work that work that out with a church.
I get what you are after...

The issue I have, being a strict Constitutionalist, is we have freedom of religion. That means just because your religion doesn't recognize homosexual marriage does not mean it should be applied equally to everyone else. A homosexual couple may have a different relationship with their creator and should not be denied any right or privilege guaranteed to them by the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence, because of how you interpret your religion.

In typing what I just typed, I can see the difference between a civil union and a marriage. Ive no issue with homosexual marriage or civil union, just as long as they are afforded the same privileges as heterosexual unions/marriages. By Cain suggesting that the act/relationship is a choice opens the door to American Citizens being denied some of the most basic rights granted to them by our founding documents.
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Being gay is always and has always been 100% choice, so is being straight, being bi, a murderer, a sociopath, an asshole, a bitch or a retard on GL4X4.

How hard is it for anyone to understand this?????

You are born with certain things you cannot change, color (unless you are MJ), nationality, etc. Everything from there is your choice, do as you choose to, but be prepared to suffer the consequences or those same decisions.
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Being gay is always and has always been 100% choice, so is being straight, being bi, a murderer, a sociopath, an asshole, a bitch or a retard on GL4X4.

How hard is it for anyone to understand this?????

You are born with certain things you cannot change, color (unless you are MJ), nationality, etc. Everything from there is your choice, do as you choose to, but be prepared to suffer the consequences or those same decisions.
I disagree.

I didnt make a choice to be attracted to females rather than males. But I am and in that, I then make the choice to seek the friendship, companionship and relationship with a female. You are suggesting I could choose to be attracted to males.... While technically you would be correct, on an emotional level it would be destructive to not only my life, but the person I was pretending to be attracted to.

What consequences should homosexuals suffer for the decisions they make?

And why do you feel your opinion on the matter is the only one and everyone else that doesn't fall lockstep behind your thinking has an issue?
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Being gay is always and has always been 100% choice, so is being straight, being bi, a murderer, a sociopath, an asshole, a bitch or a retard on GL4X4.

How hard is it for anyone to understand this?????

You are born with certain things you cannot change, color (unless you are MJ), nationality, etc. Everything from there is your choice, do as you choose to, but be prepared to suffer the consequences or those same decisions.
Do you have any scientific evidence to back this up?
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I get what you are after...

The issue I have, being a strict Constitutionalist, is we have freedom of religion. That means just because your religion doesn't recognize homosexual marriage does not mean it should be applied equally to everyone else. A homosexual couple may have a different relationship with their creator and should not be denied any right or privilege guaranteed to them by the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence, because of how you interpret your religion.

In typing what I just typed, I can see the difference between a civil union and a marriage. Ive no issue with homosexual marriage or civil union, just as long as they are afforded the same privileges as heterosexual unions/marriages. By Cain suggesting that the act/relationship is a choice opens the door to American Citizens being denied some of the most basic rights granted to them by our founding documents.
I see it as someone asking to be defined as something they are not. It's like a Dog asking to be a goose. The Dog doesn't have wings or feathers so it can't be called a goose. If the Dog feels that it deserves the same rights as the goose then the Government should do something to allow that Dog to have those rights. But it's still not a goose. What's wrong with changing the rights that the Goose gets to something different instead of redefining what a goose is?
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I choose not to be attracted to other women who I am not married to.
You can say it, but I don't believe it.
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Sexual attaction seems to be tied into emotional experiences when they go against the natural way we were made. I wouldn't say that most people wake up one day and think "I'm gonna go ghey today", but I do believe that there is a choice element involved. I choose not to be attracted to other women who I am not married to. I choose not to have sex with them either. I choose to persue my wife sexually or to back away. I choose a lot when it comes to sexuality, we all do. It was natural for me to like women, but that doesn't mean I have to jump into bed with any of them. My .02
I am very attracted to women. I love boobs and tight butts. I think (most) strippers have nice bodies. In summary: I love lookiing at women!!

Ok, I'm married. I love my wife and have never cheated on her. Just because some 18 yo hottie gives me a tingle in the dingle, doesn't mean I'm going to touch her. The last few times I've gone to the Vue, I didn't spend a dime on the dollar whores. I don't like them touching me. I love to look but touchy is a no no. I am totally dedicated to my wife and I CHOOSE not to stick my naughty bits in another woman.

It's ok to be attracted to women if you are married, we are wired to be on the hunt all the time. The big thing is having the discipline to remain faithful.
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You dont take a dick in your ass without being a wee bit excited about a man.
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I don't think being gay is a choice. What you do about it is. You can choose whether you want to get into a homosexual relation or not. But as others have pointed out, I couldn't just choose to be attracted to men, I'm attracted to women. I'm assuming that a gay person is the same way.

There may be some part of homosexuality that is born into us. Hormone balances and the like, but mostly I think it's probably due to early life experiences. And it's probably not obvious things like being exposed to the idea of homosexuality at an early age or playing with Barbie dolls or any of the things people commonly suggest.

I heard once, from an UNreliable source, that there was a study that found a link between exposure to pornography at an inappropriately early age and growing up in a household where the mother was the dominate parent, and homosexuality. I've never been able to confirm the existence of this study. If there was such a link it would help explain the rise in homosexuality, with cable TV and the internet making it easier to access porn, and with more single parent households. It could just be that the wider acceptance means that more people "come out" rather than hide it or live a lie.

One thing I object to is the mainstreaming of homosexuality. It's obvious to me that regardless if we are the invention of some god or the result of evolution that the design intent is for males and females to have sex with each other and produce offspring. That to me is the "normal". Anything else is a deviation from the normal. I think were being dishonest with ourselves when we deny that just to be PC. It's because of this denial that there is little research into why some people are gay.

As to the gay marriage issue I think the government should get out of the business of defining "marriage". First, I think we should give the word "marriage" back to the society i.e. churches, religions, and people in general, and let them/us decide what it means. Next, we should look at our laws and ask the question, Why do we have laws that treat 2 people that have decided to unite together differently than any other 2 people in society. The answers I can come up with are: to make it easier for them to care for each other; To make it easier for them to plan a life together; and to make it easier for them to raise children together. There may be others that I have not thought of. Once we figure that out we can rewrite our laws so that they go to benefit the people intended regardless of gender or religion.
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I see it as someone asking to be defined as something they are not. It's like a Dog asking to be a goose. The Dog doesn't have wings or feathers so it can't be called a goose. If the Dog feels that it deserves the same rights as the goose then the Government should do something to allow that Dog to have those rights. But it's still not a goose. What's wrong with changing the rights that the Goose gets to something different instead of redefining what a goose is?
Why should the goose get anything different than the dog other than the opportunity to be whatever they want? Equal justice under the law because no matter our life choices, we are Humans and American first.

We have a history in this country of isolating/incarcerating those who were deemed "different" at the time. American Citizens mind you.

The problem with your analogy is it gets to specific.... and as such it will deform into exactly what we have going on right now. Different sets of laws, rules, regulations, standards for each different class, race and sex. The foundation of our laws and rules of society are left broad to as to not discriminate because that is exactly what our founders were getting away from. Today, we are legislating discrimination in an attempt to make everyone equal rather than simply living by the words....

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It doesnt say "unless you are Gay." Please pay particular attention to which words are capitalized, it meant something when it was written and I believe still does today.
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I choose to be gay today. I am going to try to be attracted to men in their various forms and and imagine touching their hairy butts.

I'll post the results of my decision later.
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