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Old October 17th, 2011, 10:57 PM   #1
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Colbert cracks me up though.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 11:01 PM   #2
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I know, I know, this is from The View

I saw it on The Colbert Report though.

I do agree with those silly broads though, why would anyone choose to be gay?
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If you choose to be bi, it immediately doubles your chances of getting a date for Saturday night.
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I've made it my mission to wake up every morning and decide not to be gay.
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weird, I woke up and never made a choice, I just always liked girls. And given the choice I am going to stick to that.
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Old October 18th, 2011, 09:30 AM   #7
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I do agree with those silly broads though, why would anyone choose to be gay?
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I find it hard to believe that its not a choice in most circumstances. It seems like these days there are A LOT of gay people. How is it that the natural mechanism that our species procreation depends on could be that flawed or have that many anomalies? Since two things of the same sex can't procreate why would their genetics be compelled to be together on such a large scale?

I don't doubt there are probably some people that are naturally gay. Chemical imbalances, genetics off, whatever...

I also thing there are a lot of people that do it for the attention. Sometimes they get good attention or preference, sometimes they get bad, but just because it isn't always good attention doesn't mean some people don't crave it. Maybe thats why some of the "weird" kids are the ones that are gay... Just a thought.

Maybe sometimes its just a cop out or an excuse. How often do you see some big, burley, manly man's man saying, "I wanna suck some cock tonight!" Typically it seems like more often than not its the guys that people would consider sissy or non manly. Maybe its easier for them to be able to say they don't like chainsaws and football because they like getting buttfucked. LOL

Either way I honestly don't care what they do. They can have their equality all they want, but equality means equal, not preferential treatment because disagreeing with something they do makes you non-PC. Its no different for women, blacks, indians, or whatever. Just step up to the plate and tow your line like everyone else and all will be good.
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Old October 18th, 2011, 12:58 PM   #9
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I find it hard to believe that its not a choice in most circumstances. It seems like these days there are A LOT of gay people. How is it that the natural mechanism that our species procreation depends on could be that flawed or have that many anomalies? Since two things of the same sex can't procreate why would their genetics be compelled to be together on such a large scale?

I don't doubt there are probably some people that are naturally gay. Chemical imbalances, genetics off, whatever...
I believe you see more "these days" because it is tolerated more, along with brutalizing people who don't share your views is less tolerated.

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Gay isn't 100% choice; bisexuality is.
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I already knew where you stood on that issue...

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I find it hard to believe that its not a choice in most circumstances. It seems like these days there are A LOT of gay people. How is it that the natural mechanism that our species procreation depends on could be that flawed or have that many anomalies? Since two things of the same sex can't procreate why would their genetics be compelled to be together on such a large scale?

I don't doubt there are probably some people that are naturally gay. Chemical imbalances, genetics off, whatever...

I also thing there are a lot of people that do it for the attention. Sometimes they get good attention or preference, sometimes they get bad, but just because it isn't always good attention doesn't mean some people don't crave it. Maybe thats why some of the "weird" kids are the ones that are gay... Just a thought.

Maybe sometimes its just a cop out or an excuse. How often do you see some big, burley, manly man's man saying, "I wanna suck some cock tonight!" Typically it seems like more often than not its the guys that people would consider sissy or non manly. Maybe its easier for them to be able to say they don't like chainsaws and football because they like getting buttfucked. LOL

Either way I honestly don't care what they do. They can have their equality all they want, but equality means equal, not preferential treatment because disagreeing with something they do makes you non-PC. Its no different for women, blacks, indians, or whatever. Just step up to the plate and tow your line like everyone else and all will be good.
So you woke up one morning and decided to like girls?

You woke up and decided you liked girls of a certain size, shape, type, hair color, etc?

I have had this discussion in detail with a gay friend of mine. He tried to be straight, got married, had kids, got divorced, came out.

He doesn't want to be gay, he doesn't like being gay, but he is gay. He didn't choose to be gay, he realized he was gay, long before he ever thought of choosing to like or dislike girls/guys.
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So you woke up one morning and decided to like girls?

You woke up and decided you liked girls of a certain size, shape, type, hair color, etc?

I have had this discussion in detail with a gay friend of mine. He tried to be straight, got married, had kids, got divorced, came out.

He doesn't want to be gay, he doesn't like being gay, but he is gay. He didn't choose to be gay, he realized he was gay, long before he ever thought of choosing to like or dislike girls/guys.
I don't discount what you are saying at all.

I'll admit, I don't understand it either way. I mean from a social stand point it really doesn't matter. Either you are gay, you choose to be gay, or you are straight or you choose to be straight is neither here nor there. At the end of the day you are what you are.

My thing is I just don't understand how it can be something that just is. We are not asexual creatures and we need the opposite sex to make babies. It just seems weird to me to think that there would be that many "oopsies" in our dna.

Why couldn't our sexual choices be something learned? Think of all of the influence we have growing up. Who really knows what little things that are said or done around us when we are far to young to remember have shaping influences on our future selves? While I don't think any parent ever directly conditions their child to be gay or straight, maybe its a butterfly effect kinda thing where your dad doesn't scold you for playing with a Barbie doll. Who the hell knows? All of that deep seeded psychology shit blows my mind. If how you are raised can affect whether or not you are a dirt ass, why couldn't it be deep enough to effect sexual preference?

I truly don't have an issue with gay people. I have a slight issue with the ones that seem to need to make themselves the center of attention in the media. I get it, you're gay, I'm aware, a lot of people may disagree with you, 99% of the people aren't going to fukc with you, lets go on with life.
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so by that logic wouldn't every kid raised by a gay guy who had sex with a woman turn out at least partially gay because of his nurture rather than his nature?

What about the kids who unfortunately have a man man parent situation or a woman woman parent situation, shouldn't they all turn out gay too?
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I have a niece who got married, had 2 kids and then divorced. She "decided" she likes girls more = choice

I have a friend who came out to me years ago when he was about 40. When he approached me to tell me, he was uncomfortable, embarrassed and very nervous about it. I don't think he would have ever told me but I happened to catch him in a lie. His description was that he knows he is wired wrong. He never had any attraction to girls after a couple dates in high school. His parents won't accept it, therefore he never celebrates the holidays with his family. Or, if he does, his partner is not welcome. It is hidden from his nieces and nephews and his coworkers. So, his life isn't all rosey = maybe not so much a choice.
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So you woke up one morning and decided to like girls?

You woke up and decided you liked girls of a certain size, shape, type, hair color, etc?

I have had this discussion in detail with a gay friend of mine. He tried to be straight, got married, had kids, got divorced, came out.

He doesn't want to be gay, he doesn't like being gay, but he is gay. He didn't choose to be gay, he realized he was gay, long before he ever thought of choosing to like or dislike girls/guys.
This is the only thing I don't understand. The thought of another dude naked in a sexual way is quite off putting to me. In no way shape or form would it turn me on. With that being said, if this individual was only attracted to men, how could he marry a woman and father children with her?
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Sexual attaction seems to be tied into emotional experiences when they go against the natural way we were made. I wouldn't say that most people wake up one day and think "I'm gonna go ghey today", but I do believe that there is a choice element involved. I choose not to be attracted to other women who I am not married to. I choose not to have sex with them either. I choose to persue my wife sexually or to back away. I choose a lot when it comes to sexuality, we all do. It was natural for me to like women, but that doesn't mean I have to jump into bed with any of them. My .02
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so by that logic wouldn't every kid raised by a gay guy who had sex with a woman turn out at least partially gay because of his nurture rather than his nature?

What about the kids who unfortunately have a man man parent situation or a woman woman parent situation, shouldn't they all turn out gay too?
I would say there is a higher probability of them being gay. But I have no data to support that thought other than other things such as the child of two dirt asses doesn't always turn out to be a dirt ass and a child from a well off family does not always succeed.

I guess I have some new stuff to research. I'm sure there have been some sort of studies done on this. I shall report back... lol
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With that being said, if this individual was only attracted to men, how could he marry a woman and father children with her?
because he wanted to fit in and not be gay.
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because he wanted to fit in and not be gay.
You don't father a child without being a wee bit excited about the woman.
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