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Old October 17th, 2011, 07:26 PM   #1
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What has organized religion brought us throughout history other than the slaughter of millions of innocent people in the name of some God that commands us to Love one another yet claims slaughter those sinners because they do not worship me

Really what a concept, most religions boil down to Love one another yet more blood has been spilled in the name of some God than the Devil could have ever dreamed of accomplishing

The Roman Catholic Church alone has done far more harm than good Pedophiles running the show, Holocaust deniers turned their backs while millions suffered n died, turning their favor to the money that flowed into their empire of deceit n destruction.

They Raped the Innocence of tens of thousands of young boys by the men of God they were supposed to Trust and then hid the fact they knew it was a huge problem and yet did nothing to stop the Rape of innocents denying it to the bitter end

Burn the Bitch down I say Free the people to live in Peace not slaughtering one another in the name of Christ enough is enough already
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What has organized religion brought us throughout history other than the slaughter of millions of innocent people in the name of some God that commands us to Love one another yet claims slaughter those sinners because they do not worship me

Really what a concept, most religions boil down to Love one another yet more blood has been spilled in the name of some God than the Devil could have ever dreamed of accomplishing

The Roman Catholic Church alone has done far more harm than good Pedophiles running the show, Holocaust deniers turned their backs while millions suffered n died, turning their favor to the money that flowed into their empire of deceit n destruction.

They Raped the Innocence of tens of thousands of young boys by the men of God they were supposed to Trust and then hid the fact they knew it was a huge problem and yet did nothing to stop the Rape of innocents denying it to the bitter end

Burn the Bitch down I say Free the people to live in Peace not slaughtering one another in the name of Christ enough is enough already
you are going to burn...and when you wonder why you will be shown this post
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There is no hell.. earth is hell
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Religion is a farce. But if it gives people some guidance, it can't be all bad.
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God that commands us to Love one another yet claims slaughter those sinners because they do not worship me
Please provide scripture supporting this statement.

(Please Note: You will find none in the Christian new testament)
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Please provide scripture supporting this statement.

(Please Note: You will find none in the Christian new testament)
The Crusades come to mind no need to quote scripture actions speak louder than words
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I apologize in advance. I haven't had a chance to talk theology for quite a while. I may go on.


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What has organized religion brought us throughout history other than the slaughter of millions of innocent people in the name of some God that commands us to Love one another yet claims slaughter those sinners because they do not worship me

Really what a concept, most religions boil down to Love one another yet more blood has been spilled in the name of some God than the Devil could have ever dreamed of accomplishing

The Roman Catholic Church alone has done far more harm than good Pedophiles running the show, Holocaust deniers turned their backs while millions suffered n died, turning their favor to the money that flowed into their empire of deceit n destruction.

They Raped the Innocence of tens of thousands of young boys by the men of God they were supposed to Trust and then hid the fact they knew it was a huge problem and yet did nothing to stop the Rape of innocents denying it to the bitter end

Burn the Bitch down I say Free the people to live in Peace not slaughtering one another in the name of Christ enough is enough already
I agree. I'm a Christian. Wait What?

Religion can produce exactly what you've pointed out. However, so can <insert non-religious organizations/political/social followings>.

You're also very true in saying that Those religions say that GOD says to love. He does. The problem lies in the people, that are flawed, running things. It happens in churches all the time, it happens in business all the time too. You start with a passionate entrepreneur who is very approachable and very personable. In a few years his starter business grows and now he's less concerned about the purpose of his business and more concerned about the money. No different in churches or religion.

You're pointing out a human problem. It's just easier to pin in on religion because it's exactly what it is, ORGANIZED.

The good news is that there are Millions of examples on the other side of the bill that most people, especially those against Religion, will tend to shy from. How many Aid organizations are based on Religion? Christianity alone?

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There is no hell.. earth is hell
Very Contradictory. .

From the stand point of my faith, Earth CAN'T be hell. We have love, we have hope, we have compassion, ETC. Those are Characteristics of God. Gifts from God. If we're in hell here on earth, we wouldn't have any of those characteristics because hell is a place void of God.
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The Crusades come to mind no need to quote scripture actions speak louder than words
God does not command it in the scriptures. The crusades were a perversion of the faith, mostly because the state had there hands in it. It was also a product of people blindly following a priest. Something that you won't find in churches much any more.
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[QUOTE=High Center Hancho;2817410]you are going to burn...and when you wonder why you will be shown this post[/QUOT He may or not burn, but the likes of YOU wont be lighten no matches
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Old October 17th, 2011, 11:51 PM   #10
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There is no hell.. earth is hell
"The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven."
John Milton

Took me years to understand what Milton was trying to convey, Free Will what a beautiful gift from a Loving Father every second of every day our choices shape the environment we live in. Heaven or Hell is completely up to us Live the Golden Rule and life seems to flow doors just open when you live for the right reasons. "Love thy neighbor"

No Rest for the Wicked, just could not understand why the more seriously I took things the harder the rules became. I was living for the wrong reasons "The Love of Money" Had it all but Piece of Mind. Living the rock star life style only works so long before you find the edge of the abyss with nowhere to go but down, does one look up and realize it was my perception of things that had brought me to this Hell nothing less nothing more

Heaven or Hell is our decision every second of every day I do not believe it to be a destination for playing lip service every Sunday then acting a fool the rest of the week
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Ahh, Bloofield hills. Did Daddy not love you?? Or are you one of the Thousands of boys??

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So what?

People will believe in what people will believe in whether you or I like it or not. Religion is no different than anything else. Take Patriotism for example...its a belief. We wall believe in our country. There are others out there that think we are horribly wrong and think that we have killed millions of people for our selfish gain. Should we then just burn the flag and set the people free?
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The Crusades come to mind no need to quote scripture actions speak louder than words
Actually, you did paraphrase scripture but then provided no support in your initial support. This is considered misleading and unethical. Please support your statements or don't make them.

The cruisades were not endorsed by any scripture by the way...
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Actually, you did paraphrase scripture but then provided no support in your initial support. This is considered misleading and unethical. Please support your statements or don't make them.

The cruisades were not endorsed by any scripture by the way...
Is that like what you do on Woodward? :)
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snafu6, you seem to have it all figured out, I am glad that you are greater than every other man that has ever have lived and have better ideas than every other man that has lived for thousands of years.

I think if you looked into the mirror, you would realize that you are as screwed up as everyone else who has made an attempt to do the right thing, then fallen short. The entire premise of Christianity is that we suck, that we are sinners, and that we desparately need a savior. If we were not messing everything up all the time (in the ways you mentioned), then Jesus would never have been born of woman, lived, and died a terrible death to pay our fine for our sins. If mankind had it all together, there would be no Religion.

News flash, you are one of the screw ups and you would be wise to repent and be forgiven. Surely you would then be lumped in with thousands of years worth of "bad people" but at least you would be made right in the eyes of your maker. We are not promised glorification and perfection until we meet Jesus face to face in heaven. Between now and then we deal with the fall out from our sins. Sad but true. Hope to see you in heaven, and hope to hear of your release of your embitterment towards God and his people.
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Is that like what you do on Woodward? :)
Would make for a good Monty Python skit
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"The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven."
John Milton

Took me years to understand what Milton was trying to convey, Free Will what a beautiful gift from a Loving Father every second of every day our choices shape the environment we live in. Heaven or Hell is completely up to us Live the Golden Rule and life seems to flow doors just open when you live for the right reasons. "Love thy neighbor"

No Rest for the Wicked, just could not understand why the more seriously I took things the harder the rules became. I was living for the wrong reasons "The Love of Money" Had it all but Piece of Mind. Living the rock star life style only works so long before you find the edge of the abyss with nowhere to go but down, does one look up and realize it was my perception of things that had brought me to this Hell nothing less nothing more
Very poetic. There was this guy, King Solomon, he pretty much figured that out a couple thousand years ago. He wrote it down in a book Called Ecclesiastes. It's in the bible. .


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Heaven or Hell is our decision every second of every day I do not believe it to be a destination for playing lip service every Sunday then acting a fool the rest of the week
That's why you don't 'act a fool' every other day of the week. You live a life pleasing to God, every day. You don't live it to please the people at church or your religion. You live it that way because you know that is what God wants of you. Sunday is just a time to, with your fellow believers, let God know you appreciate his works.
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Ahh, Bloofield hills. Did Daddy not love you?? Or are you one of the Thousands of boys??
No Catholics in my Childhood Thank God, However you seem rather homophobic


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snafu6, you seem to have it all figured out, I am glad that you are greater than every other man that has ever have lived and have better ideas than every other man that has lived for thousands of years.

I think if you looked into the mirror, you would realize that you are as screwed up as everyone else who has made an attempt to do the right thing, then fallen short. The entire premise of Christianity is that we suck, that we are sinners, and that we desparately need a savior. If we were not messing everything up all the time (in the ways you mentioned), then Jesus would never have been born of woman, lived, and died a terrible death to pay our fine for our sins. If mankind had it all together, there would be no Religion.

News flash, you are one of the screw ups and you would be wise to repent and be forgiven. Surely you would then be lumped in with thousands of years worth of "bad people" but at least you would be made right in the eyes of your maker. We are not promised glorification and perfection until we meet Jesus face to face in heaven. Between now and then we deal with the fall out from our sins. Sad but true. Hope to see you in heaven, and hope to hear of your release of your embitterment towards God and his people.
I have nothing figured out, quoting some Dale Carnegie while on a Rant is hardly having things figured out, No problem with your God, Issue is the Perversions of Organized Religion and the fact that We as a Society Tolerate it
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No Catholics in my Childhood Thank God, However you seem rather homophobic
Yes, I'm not a fan of Homo's, drug addicts, alcholics and people who beat other people. I don't understand those that choose to decide to follow a path that does not jive with society.
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