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Old October 6th, 2011, 07:00 PM   #1
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saw this today what a bunch of bs. wtf did they think was going to happen if they paved a trail that gets used by sleds

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Old October 6th, 2011, 07:04 PM   #2
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Roller skaters I could see getting a little mad due to ridges in the surface but what difference does it make to some guy on a three wheeled bike. The damage that they showed was not bad at all.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 07:11 PM   #3
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as bad as michigan roads are and all the millions of people who traverse them, and a few "bicycle enthusiasts" are going to bitch.....over scratches...!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Studs are good but they don't mix with paved trails. Find a new route for the trail.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 07:22 PM   #5
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as bad as michigan roads are and all the millions of people who traverse them, and a few "bicycle enthusiasts" are going to bitch.....over scratches...!?!?!?!?!?!?!
What about the people that "bitch" about people using inappropriate language on here and wanting threads removed?
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Old October 6th, 2011, 07:24 PM   #6
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Yup shouldnt be paved. Besides banning studs does nothing for the safety record of our sport. Not only that but who spends more money? Sled riders or fags on skates?
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Old October 6th, 2011, 07:26 PM   #7
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They can talk all the want but the section from Sand Lake to north of Howard City was donated to the state by families with written documentation saying that this trail would "always" be open to snowmobiles.

This was not always a park for the elite, it was rail-road released in the 70's by the original lease of "Ben Ensley" to the rail road.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 07:28 PM   #8
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I really don't care...I will say I have seen assholes lay some broadies on pavement tearing the shit of it with their studs. Both of my machines are studded but I prefer having no studs.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 07:33 PM   #9
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fuck em. dig holes in it, make the retards work harder.
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think this may have something to do with it just can see who would do that to there studs and track last new track and studs cost me close to 700 bucks
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I dont have any issue with not running studs....lol

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Old October 6th, 2011, 10:15 PM   #12
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Yup shouldnt be paved. Besides banning studs does nothing for the safety record of our sport. Not only that but who spends more money? Sled riders or fags on skates?
If you count up the money spent by guys on sleds compared to cyclists and skaters I guarantee the guys on sleds put less money into the local economy.
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If you count up the money spent by guys on sleds compared to cyclists and skaters I guarantee the guys on sleds put less money into the local economy.
Really? Im not into biking so I dont know the cost in them....but I do sled, and there is a lot of money spent in the sled season for tourism/gear/sleds/restaurants each year for snowmobiling.
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bottles of water cost a lot less than booze cruising trails.

how many of the guys in this thread were hating on harley's in the other thread?
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Yup shouldnt be paved. Besides banning studs does nothing for the safety record of our sport. Not only that but who spends more money? Sled riders or fags on skates?
You obviously think that the only individuals that use the trail in the warmer months are locals. The Fags you refer to are most likely on vacation as well, buying gas, food and paying for lodging of some sort. Not to mention their season lasts 4-5 times longer than yours.

Think of it this way - The trail was paved to cater to the summertime users, who by the way are usually kind and courteous to the residents of the area. Then a group of entitled morons(snowmobilers) F-up the trail to the point no one can enjoy it in the warmer months, and create much unrest with the natives. Eventually the trail gets abandoned and closed for good.

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Yup shouldnt be paved. Besides banning studs does nothing for the safety record of our sport. Not only that but who spends more money? Sled riders or fags on skates?
Pretty sure studs vs. no studs has very little to do with the SAFETY of your sport. I think it has more to do with the number of liquored up asshats, or those with 1000cc machines and the skill level barely above a 380.

I have been around snowmobiles quite a lot and have ridden many, and I have always felt more comfortable and in control WITHOUT studs than with. The un-studded machine is much more predictable and requires a higher rider skill level. So the "safety factor" you speak of is in fact just a false sense of security.
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You obviously think that the only individuals that use the trail in the warmer months are locals. The Fags you refer to are most likely on vacation as well, buying gas, food and paying for lodging of some sort. Not to mention their season lasts 4-5 times longer than yours.

Think of it this way - The trail was paved to cater to the summertime users, who by the way are usually kind and courteous to the residents of the area. Then a group of entitled morons(snowmobilers) F-up the trail to the point no one can enjoy it in the warmer months, and create much unrest with the natives. Eventually the trail gets abandoned and closed for good.



Pretty sure studs vs. no studs has very little to do with the SAFETY of your sport. I think it has more to do with the number of liquored up asshats, or those with 1000cc machines and the skill level barely above a 380.

I have been around snowmobiles quite a lot and have ridden many, and I have always felt more comfortable and in control WITHOUT studs than with. The un-studded machine is much more predictable and requires a higher rider skill level. So the "safety factor" you speak of is in fact just a false sense of security.

I would say you are RONG on all accounts here. Studs are WAY safer than non-studded tracks giving the rider stopping power. Studded tracks (if done right) track better and are easier to control. The only time studded tracks become less predictable are in sliding/drifting situations. They get so much traction, that point you start to drift becomes very fine and the rider has an increased chance of high siding or running off the trail, thus requiring more skill. However I'm a big fan of no studs and preffer no studs, even tough I'm running them right now.
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Old October 7th, 2011, 07:27 AM   #17
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If the cyclists want to gain equal say in what happens to the trails.. lets see them pony up for a trail permit every year... as far as studs vs. no studs.... on groomed hard packed trails, studs definitely are safer.... even more so on ice... track straighter, stop quicker.... it's the people with no control over their throttle thumb that make those damn gouges in the pavement..... it's not a race, why take off like a rocket every time...
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Really? Im not into biking so I dont know the cost in them....but I do sled, and there is a lot of money spent in the sled season for tourism/gear/sleds/restaurants each year for snowmobiling.
I am an extreme example of someone who travels to ride his bike in comparison to the average summertime tourist who takes their bike with them.

I would not complain about those grooves in the pavement, but I ride mountain bikes, and I typically travel to specific mountain bike trails. However, if I was a road cyclist I would probably complain, road cycling is dangerous and there are not a lot of paved paths that are long enough to get a good road ride in, so if the few places they have are trashed, it's probably frustrating.

An entry level road bike can cost easily $1500-2500, a nice one is $5000. We still buy dinner, hotels, gas for our cars/trucks/rv's, and visit the local bar like a snowmobiler would.

In the last year I have visited hotels and bars in Petoskey, Copper Harbor, Marquette, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Traverse City, Acadia, Manistee, Mackinaw, etc. as a result of traveling to ride specific trails. The only expense I did not have that a snowmobiler would have was gas for my mountain bike.

But just like you I supported the local bars and restaurants, hotels, and I even purchased bike parts along the way.

Pretty equal in comparison.
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I dont have any issue with not running studs....lol

I don't understand where a track with that tall of paddles (or whatever the technical term is) would do you any good where a stud is useful.

I think of using a stud on hardpack or ice, and a paddle track like that in deep snow.
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Old October 7th, 2011, 07:46 AM   #20
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Ban studded snowmobiles on paved area only, not the whole State.
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