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Old October 12th, 2006, 11:24 AM   #41
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mikesova i guess you dont like the world as it is so why dont you go dig a hole and live in it. everyone would be better off because YOU ARE AN IDIOT. is the only reason your here to fight with people? if so leave im sure most people on here would be happy to see you go.
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[QUOTE=mikesova]Super Stocker, do you think that the people of Iraq like this:
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Study Claims Iraq's 'Excess' Death Toll Has Reached 655,000

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Wednesday, October 11, 2006; A12
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A team of American and Iraqi epidemiologists estimates that 655,000 more people have died in Iraq since coalition forces arrived in March 2003 than would have died if the invasion had not occurred.
a team from where ? associated with whom? and funded by whom ?

(statement qualification: "The survey was done by Iraqi physicians and overseen by epidemiologists at Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public Health. The findings are being published online today by the British medical journal the Lancet. " Overseen? I dont like that wording, who gave johns hopkins the grant to do this ? THATS as important as any of these numbers. Also the numbers are almost meaningless untill they release all the data collection. I know all about stats and surveys and wording in surveys (CMUjeeper and yourself should/ would be impressed by ma book learning and fancified degree from WMU). Why the heck is MIT paying other schools to do this work? I want to know where the grant money originated from !







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The estimate, produced by interviewing residents during a random sampling of households throughout the country, is far higher than ones produced by other groups, including Iraq's government.
You cant be MORE random. Its either random or not, either statisically significant deviation in the samples are present or not. You can make a sample more random ... this writer is a cluess jackass.:tonka:




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The surveyors said they found a steady increase in mortality since the invasion, with a steeper rise in the last year that appears to reflect a worsening of violence as reported by the U.S. military, the news media and civilian groups. In the year ending in June, the team calculated Iraq's mortality rate to be roughly four times what it was the year before the war.
they live in a violent culture that embraces and loves violence ... what do you expect. Only four times pre war? Thats not bad since before unless you were politically connected to sadam and the bath party you couldnt form a roaming death squad like you can no days. Now its payback time for all the corrupt bathist leaders and their familes that tortured everyone for 25 years. THINK they might have a reason for a leap in violence ???????


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This viewed was echoed by Sarah Leah Whitson, an official of Human Rights Watch in New York, who said, "We have no reason to question the findings or the accuracy" of the survey.
Uhhh yes you do unless you are a hack scientist and hack mathamatican. You have to question the motives, the data collection method. Nah! No reason as long as you are part of the same movement and propaganda machine.




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To the people that think that the over 3,000 U.S. troops we've lost, isn't a "big deal", what about this? Since you all seem to be very pro-Iraq "freedom", is it worth the cost of lives? Let's see 3 years =600,000, hmm, maybe if we're in there another couple years we can make it a million.
Uhh we didn’t kill 600,000 people. 600,000 MAY or may not have died, its not exactly a modern western nation.

Heres a link from simple google search that shows murder rates per 100,000 in american cities http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004902.html


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According to the survey results, Iraq's mortality rate in the year before the invasion was 5.5 deaths per 1,000 people; in the post-invasion period it was 13.3 deaths per 1,000 people per year. The difference between these rates was used to calculate "excess deaths."
So Detroit is 39 per 100,000 , Washington, DC 44 per 100,000 , New Orleans 57.7 per 100,000 (that was 2003) so in americas worst and most violent ghettos we are 10 times safer than Saddam run iraq. Sounds like they are a bunch of violence loving fools. Wait to the get them well fare, affirmative action, and then they can have crack wars! Iraq wasn’t some quaint little resort town we ruined Yep thats right, i have seen many guys on the news (iraqis) wishing for the good old days when bagdad was free from crime .... aka ten times the murders of detroit,dc, new orleans. Ahhh the good old days. That was just one party, you didnt fight back in the saddam regime .... now they can avenge 25 years of murders.

For an open minded guy you dont do much search for the truth very hard. If i had $50,000 to waste i could write a much more compelling story and much better report than those hacks from john hopkins. What a bunch of fukc ups.

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Old October 12th, 2006, 12:40 PM   #43
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mikesova i guess you dont like the world as it is so why dont you go dig a hole and live in it. everyone would be better off because YOU ARE AN IDIOT. is the only reason your here to fight with people? if so leave im sure most people on here would be happy to see you go.
you're right about one thing, I don't like the way the world is, but I don't think accepting it and burying my head in a hole is the best way to go at it, that's called ignorance. I think I will try to change the world, even if it's just by casting a simple vote.
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Super Stocker, do you think that the people of Iraq like this:


a team from where ? associated with whom? and funded by whom ?

(statement qualification: "The survey was done by Iraqi physicians and overseen by epidemiologists at Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public Health. The findings are being published online today by the British medical journal the Lancet. " Overseen? I dont like that wording, who gave johns hopkins the grant to do this ? THATS as important as any of these numbers. Also the numbers are almost meaningless untill they release all the data collection. I know all about stats and surveys and wording in surveys (CMUjeeper and yourself should/ would be impressed by ma book learning and fancified degree from WMU). Why the heck is MIT paying other schools to do this work? I want to know where the grant money originated from !









You cant be MORE random. Its either random or not, either statisically significant deviation in the samples are present or not. You can make a sample more random ... this writer is a cluess jackass.:tonka:






they live in a violent culture that embraces and loves violence ... what do you expect. Only four times pre war? Thats not bad since before unless you were politically connected to sadam and the bath party you couldnt form a roaming death squad like you can no days. Now its payback time for all the corrupt bathist leaders and their familes that tortured everyone for 25 years. THINK they might have a reason for a leap in violence ???????




Uhhh yes you do unless you are a hack scientist and hack mathamatican. You have to question the motives, the data collection method. Nah! No reason as long as you are part of the same movement and propaganda machine.






Uhh we didn’t kill 600,000 people. 600,000 MAY or may not have died, its not exactly a modern western nation.

Heres a link from simple google search that shows murder rates per 100,000 in american cities http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004902.html




So Detroit is 39 per 100,000 , Washington, DC 44 per 100,000 , New Orleans 57.7 per 100,000 (that was 2003) so in americas worst and most violent ghettos we are 10 times safer than Saddam run iraq. Sounds like they are a bunch of violence loving fools. Wait to the get them well fare, affirmative action, and then they can have crack wars! Iraq wasn’t some quaint little resort town we ruined Yep thats right, i have seen many guys on the news (iraqis) wishing for the good old days when bagdad was free from crime .... aka ten times the murders of detroit,dc, new orleans. Ahhh the good old days. That was just one party, you didnt fight back in the saddam regime .... now they can avenge 25 years of murders.

For an open minded guy you dont do much search for the truth very hard. If i had $50,000 to waste i could write a much more compelling story and much better report than those hacks from john hopkins. What a bunch of fukc ups.
I came across an interesting article from a reputable newspaper and posted it up. Damn, I wish I had your time that you take to dissect it. I guess maybe I will when I get a REAL job.
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I came across an interesting article from a reputable newspaper and posted it up. Damn, I wish I had your time that you take to dissect it. I guess maybe I will when I get a REAL job.
I got the day off i have a real job, i own by own business i make decent money. It took all of 5-6 minutes to read what you typed and search google. my curriousity made me look up detroits numbers, and dc since they are the murder citys for some real context. Posted it so others can see even the washington post isnt above propaganda. Big deal i spend 10 minutes on a day off. You probably dont wish you had my time ..... lots of days i work 12 hours or more. I am only out of college 4 years ... i know i didnt have time in college to surf the net speading anti american propaganda calling my self a free thinker believing every thing the news paper tell me even if it doesnt under stand the word RANDOM :tonka: I was to busy in class and having fun.

I would like to hear you shoot down my math, logic, or resources. I think they hold up better than the story YOU posted. Dont get all defensive. Especially after calling out other for being not mature to your standards in their responses. Nothing worse than a loudmouth, hypocrit, commie

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mikesova i guess you dont like the world as it is so why dont you go dig a hole and live in it. everyone would be better off because YOU ARE AN IDIOT. is the only reason your here to fight with people? if so leave im sure most people on here would be happy to see you go.
I guess you didn't realize that you were in the Political section were Politics are debated. If Mike wasn't here there wouldn't be much in this section since the opposite point of view would never be posted.
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how many people relize that right now if the president wanted to take you out of your house and detain you with no conseul and put you in jail indenfintly, and use torture to his liking without killing you. we are here peeps no habus corpus for anyone. no bill of rights, no constitution nothing. this is the intresting time in our lives. think outside of the box.


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -Teddy Roosevelt

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I got the day off i have a real job, i own by own business i make decent money. It took all of 5-6 minutes to read what you typed and search google. my curriousity made me look up detroits numbers, and dc since they are the murder citys for some real context. Posted it so others can see even the washington post isnt above propaganda. Big deal i spend 10 minutes on a day off. You probably dont wish you had my time ..... lots of days i work 12 hours or more. I am only out of college 4 years ... i know i didnt have time in college to surf the net speading anti american propaganda calling my self a free thinker believing every thing the news paper tell me even if it doesnt under stand the word RANDOM :tonka: I was to busy in class and having fun.

I would like to hear you shoot down my math, logic, or resources. I think they hold up better than the story YOU posted. Dont get all defensive. Especially after calling out other for being not mature to your standards in their responses. Nothing worse than a loudmouth, hypocrit, commie
take it easy big fella, i didn't dispute your ideas, i'm just saying I posted what I found because it was interesting and seemed to go along. It could be wrong, you could be wrong, I could be wrong.

P.S. got anything better than loudmouth hypocrit commie? I have a reputation to uphold here.

I actually enjoy your responses because they are backed up with actual data, whereas some people just say,"shut up, bush is god!".

anywho...
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take it easy big fella, i didn't dispute your ideas, i'm just saying I posted what I found because it was interesting and seemed to go along. It could be wrong, you could be wrong, I could be wrong.
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As much as I hate your conspiracy theories and all the other crap you puke up... that statement alone deserves a little respect.

At least you admit the simple possibility that you could be wrong...
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how many people relize that right now if the president wanted to take you out of your house and detain you with no conseul and put you in jail indenfintly, and use torture to his liking without killing you. we are here peeps no habus corpus for anyone. no bill of rights, no constitution nothing. this is the intresting time in our lives. think outside of the box.

You don't really believe this do you?

The recent habus corpus decision was for enemy combatants at Gitmo not American citizens or legal immigrants.

I'll post this link again incase you missed it......

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...I2YzBlOGRlNzU=



Here's the important cliff notes version for anyone too lazy to read the whole article.......


First, Congress cannot “suspend” habeas corpus by denying it to people who have no right to it in the first place. The right against suspension of habeas corpus is found in the Constitution (art. I, 9). Constitutional rights belong only to Americans — that is, according to the Supreme Court, U.S. citizens and those aliens who, by lawfully weaving themselves into the fabric of our society, have become part of our national community (which is to say, lawful permanent resident aliens). To the contrary, aliens with no immigration status who are captured and held outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, and whose only connection to our country is to wage a barbaric war against it, do not have any rights, much less “basic rights,” under our Constitution

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As much as I hate your conspiracy theories and all the other crap you puke up... that statement alone deserves a little respect.

At least you admit the simple possibility that you could be wrong...
Please enlighten me on my conspiracy theories that I bring up, I can't seem to remember them?

Also, that "crap that I puke up" are my views. I suppose being tolerant others and not wanting to shove my beliefs down other people's throats and things of that nature are "crap".
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