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Old July 25th, 2006, 02:49 PM   #1
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They used to suck now with good pads (Bosch) front and rear turned rotors in the front and new in the rear they are acceptable without much vibration. I guess in the future I won't wait for the pads to go all the way down before I replace them and turn the rotors again. I still need to swap the PS fluid to Mobil One because I have heard that not only helps the steering but also the brakes since they are hyrdraulically boosted.

Not only do they suck when they are new, they suck when you go to replace the pads at 80K. I baby my truck did the fronts earlier in the year and turned the rotors forver at my buddies shop before they were decent put good pads and got some stopping back. Did the rears last weekend the rotors looked terrible. Pads still had 1/4"+ on them had to have the rotors turned at Murrays due to lack of time. Murrays tried but turned them down as far as they claimed that they were allowed and they still had tons of rust on the inner and outer edges (~50% of the rotor surface).

So the 1yr rotors = $75 a piece the 5yr = $160 not in stock. I bought the $75's, plus pads = $45 not bad but if I had done it the way I prefer it would have only been $40 plus $10 for each rotor.

They claim that they see more and more rotors that can never be turned even though the owner tried before the first set of pads ever wore to metal. What kind of bs is this. They also claimed that there machine couldn't turn the inside parking brake surface and the parking brake shoes are $167 anyways so I said f that!

I love Ford's and I will continue to buy them to support the jobs that I have and have had and friends etc. but the quality seemed better on my 79 for sure.

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Old July 25th, 2006, 04:07 PM   #2
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Not only do they suck when they are knew but they suck when you go to replace the pads at 80K. I baby my truck did the fronts earlier in the year and turned the rotors forver at my buddies shop before they were decent put good pads and got some stopping back. Did the rears last weekend the rotors looked terrible. Pads still had 1/4"+ on them had to have the rotors turned at Murrays due to lack of time. Murrays tried but turned them down as far as they claimed that they were allowed and they still had tons of rust on the inner and outer edges (~50% of the rotor surface).

So the 1yr rotors = $75 a piece the 5yr = $160 not in stock. I bought the $75's, plus pads = $45 not bad but if I had done it the way I prefer it would have only been $40 plus $10 for each rotor.

They claim that they see more and more rotors that can never be turned even though the owner tried before the first set of pads ever wore to metal. What kind of bs is this. They also claimed that there machine couldn't turn the inside parking brake surface and the parking brake shoes are $167 anyways so I said f that!

I love Ford's and I will continue to buy them to support the jobs that I have and have had and friends etc. but the quality seemed better on my 79 for sure.
I used to design brakes at TRW and after working there I will never turn a rotor on a vehicle that I actually care for. I hate to say this but spend the money now and just buy new rotors. FYI in the future when you buy a new vehicle and dont like something complain to the dealers, and when you get the surveys in the mail fill those out and say what you dont like about them, believe it or not those surveys are taken pretty seriously. I do know that TRW does design the brakes on the 2005MY and up Ford super duties so they are going to be much better then older Super duties. Unless you were using your parking brake a ton there shouldnt any reason to turn the parking brake drum...FYI the parking brake that you are talking about is called a Drum in Hat style parking brake.
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Old July 25th, 2006, 04:22 PM   #3
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no complaints about the brakes on my 99 250
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You turned these at the Rochester Murrays?
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almost all passenger cars and light duty trucks now have non-servicable brake components... among all OEMs, not just Ford.

Any yup, my older F250 is fine for me
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I have turned in negative complaints before. This is more of an annoyance even though the pads had material left I probably should have pulled them awhile ago.

Why don't you think that turning rotors is acceptable? In my opinion a good lathe can turn them better than brand new ones and the OEM quality is alot of times better than the aftermarket. Why do you think that in the last ten years you can get rotors for normal cars and half ton trucks for half of what they used to be = Cheap metal sources.

This truck still takes more pedal effort than I think that it should for having hydraulically assisted four wheel disc brakes with two piston calipers. Why could I stop by 79 F150 or my 83 E150 so much easier even with rear drums? Yeah they were a little lighter than a Diesel F250 but they have less brake surfaces etc. as well.

P.S. Bosch ABS system on my 99 F150 was suicidal if you started sliding backwards down a sandy hill while still in Drive ABS thought you were in trouble and released all brake pressure. Did this several times with a bed full of people up north definetly not safe.

And Yes they tried to turn the rears at Rochester Auburn Rd. Murray's didn't charge me for them when they had turned them as far as they could because they weren't clean enough. Bought the new ones from them. Brakes work pretty well now not much shudder stops are firm.

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I think the big F is skimping on their brake hardware lately. Ive been leasing since 98 and Ive got nothing good to say about their braking quality after about 15k miles. Same thing every time. Plenty of pad, but lousy brakes or warped rotors.:stan3:
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I used to design brakes at TRW and after working there I will never turn a rotor on a vehicle that I actually care for. I hate to say this but spend the money now and just buy new rotors.
Just an FYI - there are quite a few techs who will turn even brand spanking new rotors. Why? Because it's cheap insurance (and the parts handlers like to drop them and stack them the wrong way)- if you dont turn it and it pullsates, your ass just lost commision because now you've gotta pull the brakes back apart to turn them. I know of atleast two dozen techs at both independent and dealer shops that will atleast chuck them in the lathe to check for trueness. It may not be something to do on f-250 rotors because they're so huge it'll take a large drop to warp them, but i take it your speeking about all rotors in general.....and I'm talking everything from carquest rotors all the way up to OEM jag rotors....

I'm not saying it's good to turn all rotors - if the rotors rust pitted/grooved/heat checked in any way, it's junk

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Unless you were using your parking brake a ton there shouldnt any reason to turn the parking brake drum...FYI the parking brake that you are talking about is called a Drum in Hat style parking brake.
And if people would actually use their parking brakes, they'd never need to be turned because of the rust that develops in them
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