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Old March 16th, 2011, 06:14 AM   #1
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alright i finaly got the go ahead from the boss lady to buy a new tow rig lol.. now i realy want a diesel to haul my xj, wood ect.
im looking to buy a f250 power stroke, more then likely pre 98. am i over looking a simpler cheaper alternative. i drive 1 hour round trip total to and from work 5-6 days a week and my g/f does 99% of weekend trip driving. im aware of the 30 cent fuel premium and cost of parts ect compared to my half ton chevy, i work and maintain all my own vehicles and know a couple diesel guys if i get in over my head.
also if i play my cards right i can sell my current dd pay the loan off and buy a ricer or gas friendly truck to drive when diesel gets out of hand.
am i over looking somthing about this new truck purchase to where it doesn't make sence? or should i just but a bigger motor half ton and live with it. id like to think i would be towing my xj once or twice a month during the normaly wheeling season, towing would consist of michigan and indiana maybe illinois.

thanks drew....sorry its long winded
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Old March 16th, 2011, 07:15 AM   #2
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get a diesel you cant go wrong with one. powerstrokes are really nice but cummins are to. just some food for thought
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Old March 16th, 2011, 01:33 PM   #3
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I was in the same boat you were. I bought a diesel with all the intentions of towing my jeep all the time. After owning one, I have to say that if you don't need a diesel for work and towing a trailer all the time then its a waste. I went back to a 1/2 ton, cause I had no need for a diesel. I have a 05 f-150 crew cab 5.4 4x4. I get 15-16 mpg highway, and about 10 mpg towing my xj. In my diesel I got 15mpg all the time, towing dropped to about 11-12.
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Old March 16th, 2011, 01:56 PM   #4
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Look for a pre 99 cummins. If you look around they can be had for a decent price. Mine will get 15 mpg around town, 18 towing jeep on the highway and 24 cruising empty on the highway. If you can get a stick or one with a rebuilt auto trans.
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I can send you a break even spreadsheet if you really think you want to see the cost of ownership on both side by side. I always look at the whole picture. When you decide on a few PM me the two purchase prices (Diesel & gasser), how many miles a year you drive, will you be financing it (interest is a factor), what your insurance quote is on both. The out of your control variables will be maintenance, cost of fuel; so let's assume they aren't going to change, or are equal.
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Old March 16th, 2011, 04:32 PM   #6
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thanks keep the comparisons coming

sorry colin couldnt own a dodge great motor just cant put myself in one with the known tranny problems along with other pot/kettle issues lol

ksejeeper i have thought about getting anothe half ton with the 5.3 but i have had 1 tranny blow the sun shell wich seems to be a problem with the gen chevy i want and would be extremely pissed if it happened on the way to a wheeling trip

other option is wait for my 1/4ly bonus pay my half ton off then buy a... strict tow rig maybe?
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Old March 16th, 2011, 04:48 PM   #7
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if you put tons of miles on a truck(over 15k per year), diesel all the way. if you tow in the mountains often, diesel all the way. if you tow over 10k lbs often, diesel all the way. if you put on 5 to 10 k miles per year, much of it not towing anything, a gasser will be cheaper in the long run. in the old days gassers were junk after 100 to 150 k.
diesels would last 300k. it was worth it to go diesel. now gassers last alot longer than they used to. its common to see used gassers with 250k+ now. longevity is almost a non issue now days.

i drive a diesel for a living, and i wanted a gasser for weekend fun. i love my v10 ford.
the mpgs blow, but it will pull anything and is fun to drive and cheap to upkeep.
other than maintenance, the only issue i have had was a bunch of exhaust manifold studs broke.
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Old March 16th, 2011, 05:06 PM   #8
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the 2 arguments im fighting are..

1. i like the hook-up to what ever and go idea along with the power and noise we all love in a diesel.

2. ill probly tow 1-2 times a month in michigan and maybe other surrounding flat states, i drive roughly 60 miles round trip for work, and basicaly dont tow much of anything else.

the problem with argument 2 is the sun shell in the trans which i dont want to have to worry about in the gen chevy i would be buying.

so im just looking for a combination of pro's-con's for either truck option
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Old March 16th, 2011, 05:38 PM   #9
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i had a 2000 half ton chevy with a 5.3. towed my yj all the time without an issue ever. I would buy another one in a second.
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Old March 16th, 2011, 05:56 PM   #10
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theres a pretty decent cummins for sale on here. 12v with ex cab short bed for 4500 with out overdrive. put a grand into it and be rocking
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yeah i have looked at that 1 boggin... im going to go look at a superduty saturday that is currently not running that i might be able to bring home for cheap. whats everyone's thought on this option?... i dont have the exact story but it's somthing to do with changing a bad fuel tank (leaking) then it quite running or didn't run right afterwards has been sitting since.
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Old March 17th, 2011, 06:18 AM   #12
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i had a 2000 half ton chevy with a 5.3. towed my yj all the time without an issue ever. I would buy another one in a second.
X2 on the 5.3 half ton. I tow 8,000 to 10,000 pounds with my truck quite often. I wanted a diesel too but i finally decided my truck was paid for so i put about $1000 into it to make it capable of towing heavier weights. Add a transmission cooler and buy a tuner for the gas jobs, i got the bully dog GT and it made a big difference in performance and towing MPG's. I can tow 8,000 pounds in the summer and my trans never goes over 200 to 205, in the winter i have never seen it go over 190. Keep the trans cool and it will do what you need. If you go that route make sure you either get a cluster from a 3/4 ton, get a tuner with a tranny temp gauge built in, or add a tranny temp gauge.
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Old March 17th, 2011, 10:05 PM   #13
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can never go wrong with a diesel....my last 4 tow rigs all diesel..try to stick with a manual or save up for a built tranny(3500-4k)

'01 excursion ...love it..18-20 mpg..about 14-15 towing

'00 dodge auto....great truck..same mpg as the excursion....could not keep a torque converter in it

'03 dodge 6sp....would still be in my drive if it was 4x4

'97 f350 2wd...17mpg...13 towing....sold it w/500k on it and it ran like a top
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can never go wrong with a diesel....my last 4 tow rigs all diesel..try to stick with a manual or save up for a built tranny(3500-4k)

'01 excursion ...love it..18-20 mpg..about 14-15 towing

'00 dodge auto....great truck..same mpg as the excursion....could not keep a torque converter in it Gotta put a billet one in or it is not worth it.

'03 dodge 6sp....would still be in my drive if it was 4x4

'97 f350 2wd...17mpg...13 towing....sold it w/500k on it and it ran like a top
I really dont like dodges but love the motor, with some work the autos can be made to work well. I have owned 2 now and this one has over 250,xxx on it and is still going.
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I really dont like dodges but love the motor, with some work the autos can be made to work well. I have owned 2 now and this one has over 250,xxx on it and is still going.
all under warranty...they would not upgrade it for me
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colin i agree about the motor's they great makes power and run forever as most diesel's, but as stated the auto trans "suck" and i want a auto incase my g/f ever needs to drive it and im lazy.

ron86toy thanks for the info i was looking at the excursions but with the hunting and stuff i do i need a truck bed, other wise i would be buying an excursion.


on a side note i went and looked at a 96 f250 4x4 single cab work model manual window/lock rubber floor mat ect, has a rebuilt trans about a year ago and last fall quit running right so it was parked. any opions on buying if it can be bought cheap enough to justify the moeny it may take to get it running. the owner said it acts like a bad/plugged injector.

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when diesels are broke its very expensive. its not just throw parts at it and hope its going to work. take a diesel guy with you to check it over very well. it could be the the fact the injectors loose prime. when the 7.3 loose prime you have to crank it till they prime. its a self priming system. someone could have been scared to crank it for that long. im sorry maybe i missed it but i looked again really quick. what year is it that your going to look at?
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Old March 19th, 2011, 06:40 PM   #18
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i looked at a 96, i cranked it over to try and get it to fire it just rolled smoke, im taking my buddy with me thursday who worked at cat for awhile in the trucking side, he's my go to diesel guy along with a few ppl on here.
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good call. its very risky to buy a diesel truck that isnt running. could be alot of different things. its not like a gasser where they are relative cheap to fix.
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guy down the street from me has a 97 f250 ext cab long box with a 7.3. its a darker blue and is in immaculate shape with almost new tires. I am not a ford guy but I have been thinging about buying it for a welding truck.
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