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Old March 4th, 2011, 09:33 PM   #101
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For the school teachers-sure, but no other state employee in Michigan has been given a pension since fiscal year 1997.

New hires into the state are paying 20% towards their health insurance, the vested employees are getting moved into the same plan eventually. I can also count 3 times in the past 5 years where we gave our raises up.

I love it when people talk about how state employees are overpaid. I've amassed numerous broken bones, been drilled many times and have a boatload of aches and pains from all of it. All for the lovely base pay of $55k/year. I've spent almost a year combined with some sort of cast somewhere on my body.

When I hired in back in 96, nobody wanted to work for the state and nobody cared what was going on with us...because the economy was better. We hired in with pensions and fully paid benefits. Now that things are shitty, everybody wants our heads on the chopping block. After years of being invisible, now we're all pieces of shit. The media is telling people that, so that's what they think.
What job do you do for 55k, if I may ask.
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Old March 4th, 2011, 09:34 PM   #102
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Now this is complete BS, if indeed it happened. Time to vote some folks out!

And people need to attend these meetings and raise some hell.
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Old March 4th, 2011, 09:38 PM   #103
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Here's a link about comparable wages. I'm part of a teacher's union and make roughly $16/hr. It sucks now, but part of the reason I stay is because of the potential pay and benefits, which are similar to the private companies I've worked for, however because of the CBA as long as I do what I have to do, the wage increases are pretty much guaranteed. On a side note, I do see people that take advantage of the CBA and should be fired. I try to make their life a living hell at work, though.

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Old March 5th, 2011, 11:08 AM   #104
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And since I honestly don't know, how does that compare to a comparable mechanical engineer or other professions?
Depends on the company, I have said before that I thinkm 3-10 year engineers are getting grossly overpaid, but they are the future of the organizations they work at.

For reference I would say your Average NON master's engineer is currently in the 65-85k range. Add a "Lead" title, or program manager, or work at one of the more cutting edge companies that has the cash and they can make some money.

Master's probably gets an engineer a closer look, and maybe 5-10k more per year.

Cornfed's $43 an hour is possible, but not "likely".

I'll give you some actual hard numbers.

My current contractor's include Designers (typically non-degreed), BS Engineers, a few MS Engineers, and my average pay rate is just over $30.00. My highest pay rate is a non degreed contractor who has outstanding experience and is working a job that requires a degree. He makes 41.02. I have a similar candidate, with a master's degree, he is making 41.00 at a different client.

Yesterday I submitted two resumes for a position, both candidates are seeking between 65-75/hrly.

1. candidate is masters
2. Candidate is doctorate, with 3 masters.

On the direct hire side I have recently placed 2 quality engineers, salaries of 65, and 75k. A Materials Manager/Logistics Engineer 85k, I don't believe any of those three candidates had a masters.

I am working on closing out a Hydraulics Engineer for Hydraulic Hybrid Vehicles, he is a Master's Degree from US college, BS from India, and only about 3 years of experience, but he also has 6 month internships during every break he ever had in schooling adding another 3 years or so of experience, he'll probably end up getting almost 90k.

Also currently working on a Health, Safety, Environmental position, client is targeting a 60-62k salary, 4 year degree required.

The reason I point this all out is that the salary of an "Engineer" can vary wildly based on the technology, area in the plant, experience needed, etc.
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Old March 5th, 2011, 07:24 PM   #105
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Our engineering pay scale goes from $35K to $185K depending on what your title is and how good you are at it "Engineer" is a pretty loose term these days anyhow....
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Our engineering pay scale goes from $35K to $185K depending on what your title is and how good you are at it "Engineer" is a pretty loose term these days anyhow....
Whats a sanitation engineer???? LOL
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