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Old February 13th, 2011, 12:41 PM   #21
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This is how I feel. I've been contemplating building 60's for years but can hardly justify the cost when I know I won't run anything bigger than 35-36's, and I hardly wheel anymore anyway, typically just Michigan stuff. I think I'm going to build a HD HP44 TJ width with RCV's and call it good.
I still disageee with this agruement. The cost of a 60 is cheap compared to a custum 44. You can run a bone stock D60 with the exception of one custom length long side inner axle shaft. You don't need high end D60 parts. Stock parts will be plenty strng enough. Why do you think a 60 that can handle 36" tires would be so expensive?
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Old February 13th, 2011, 02:31 PM   #22
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if it were me i'd run the 1 tons but have them narrowed. im not a fan of running wide axles on small tires. as mentioned they drag on everything. a zuki on 31's can often go in places a buggy on 44's cant due to the wide track width. it mainly depends where u wheel and what the terrain calls for. mounds for example is loaded with ruts from big tires and fullsize trucks. there for a narrow vehicle often does better in those ruts.
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Old February 13th, 2011, 04:06 PM   #23
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It depends on how much you wheel and how much you drive on the street.no one seams to mention the fact that a 4.0 doesnt have enough power to push a jeep down the highway at 70 in a wind.and now your going to add several hundred pounds in axles.i wouldnt consider adding 60s without some serious v8 power in the plan.im doing a 8.8 in the rear with a detroit and some good parts in a hp 30 for my dd stroked tj.you already have a trutrac,do you need a full locker?if you spend most of the time on moderate michigan trails do a 8.8 and good stuff in your 30 and use your head.carry a few spare ujoints and save your money.if you do rocks or wheel with guys w 44s every weekend go big and look back,just be prepared to spend some coin on enough motor/trans/t_case to spin those 60s
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Old February 13th, 2011, 04:44 PM   #24
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It depends on how much you wheel and how much you drive on the street.no one seams to mention the fact that a 4.0 doesnt have enough power to push a jeep down the highway at 70 in a wind.and now your going to add several hundred pounds in axles.i wouldnt consider adding 60s without some serious v8 power in the plan.im doing a 8.8 in the rear with a detroit and some good parts in a hp 30 for my dd stroked tj.you already have a trutrac,do you need a full locker?if you spend most of the time on moderate michigan trails do a 8.8 and good stuff in your 30 and use your head.carry a few spare ujoints and save your money.if you do rocks or wheel with guys w 44s every weekend go big and look back,just be prepared to spend some coin on enough motor/trans/t_case to spin those 60s
Your an Idiot. I have been wheeling a 01 Tj with 60s and 38s with a 4 cyl, auto for the last 3 years. Yes it has 5.13s, and welded diffs. Other than a lack of power it is fine for wheeling. Hell it is possible that i drove it to work and even back and forth to the dunes a few times. At 70, no but 60 yes. Im currently putting a 4.0 in and im sure it will be just fine.
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet but a 60/14 combo is stock in a 1ton, if your worried about streetability its the options you have for the axles, not the axles themselves.
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Old February 13th, 2011, 05:15 PM   #26
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I still disageee with this agruement. The cost of a 60 is cheap compared to a custum 44. You can run a bone stock D60 with the exception of one custom length long side inner axle shaft. You don't need high end D60 parts. Stock parts will be plenty strng enough. Why do you think a 60 that can handle 36" tires would be so expensive?
you can narrow a 60 to run an eb long side, problem solved no custom shafts.
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Old February 13th, 2011, 06:36 PM   #27
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I still disageee with this agruement. The cost of a 60 is cheap compared to a custum 44. You can run a bone stock D60 with the exception of one custom length long side inner axle shaft. You don't need high end D60 parts. Stock parts will be plenty strng enough. Why do you think a 60 that can handle 36" tires would be so expensive?
Just to get an axle to start chopping is about $700-$1000. Gears are more, lockers are more, brakes and everything on the outers cost more. And then I need new rims, and I'll get new tires too while I'm at it. And of course I have to do both the front and rear.

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you can narrow a 60 to run an eb long side, problem solved no custom shafts.
When did an EB use a D60 in the front?
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Old February 13th, 2011, 06:43 PM   #28
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Just to get an axle to start chopping is about $700-$1000. Gears are more, lockers are more, brakes and everything on the outers cost more. And then I need new rims, and I'll get new tires too while I'm at it. And of course I have to do both the front and rear.
locker/gears aren't much more than a 44. I would be tempted to just run stock 4.10 gears with a 35" tire anyways. Run stock brakes. Why would you replace anything from the C's out. Run stock parts.

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Old February 13th, 2011, 07:15 PM   #29
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I run a d-30 front with a detroit tru track and a D-44 with a detroit locker in the rear with 38" TSLs 360 V-8 I brake 1 front stock shaft a year. With a stock I-6 and 35s I would stay with the stock axles.
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Lots of speculation and wrong statements in this thread.

You do not need a V8 to run 1 ton axles.
Full width does not make for more difficult maneuvering in tight conditions.
36" and up tires will break 760 and 297 joints...period.
Stock 1 ton axles do not need to be upgraded.
It is not the axles that limit highway speed. It is the suspension and tires.
Don't waste your time with LS. Go full locker.
Why carry spare parts when you can be bullet proof?
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Old February 13th, 2011, 07:41 PM   #31
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It depends on how much you wheel and how much you drive on the street.no one seams to mention the fact that a 4.0 doesnt have enough power to push a jeep down the highway at 70 in a wind.and now your going to add several hundred pounds in axles.i wouldnt consider adding 60s without some serious v8 power in the plan.im doing a 8.8 in the rear with a detroit and some good parts in a hp 30 for my dd stroked tj.you already have a trutrac,do you need a full locker?if you spend most of the time on moderate michigan trails do a 8.8 and good stuff in your 30 and use your head.carry a few spare ujoints and save your money.if you do rocks or wheel with guys w 44s every weekend go big and look back,just be prepared to spend some coin on enough motor/trans/t_case to spin those 60s
my TJ with a 4.0 on 40's with 60's had no issue with wind. geesh...maybe some people just can't drive
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Old February 13th, 2011, 08:12 PM   #32
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my TJ with a 4.0 on 40's with 60's had no issue with wind. geesh...maybe some people just can't drive
most likely they were just to cheap to regear.
a 4.0L geared right with any axle will go down the freeway fine.
one geared wrong(3.07 with 35's)will struggle.
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Old February 13th, 2011, 09:00 PM   #33
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exactly, what whiterhino said... , and what joe jeep said... they have good points i agree totally
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Your an Idiot. I have been wheeling a 01 Tj with 60s and 38s with a 4 cyl, auto for the last 3 years. Yes it has 5.13s, and welded diffs. Other than a lack of power it is fine for wheeling. Hell it is possible that i drove it to work and even back and forth to the dunes a few times. At 70, no but 60 yes. Im currently putting a 4.0 in and im sure it will be just fine.
I daily drive a tj with a 6cyl a 5 speed and 373 gears with 32s and its a turd on the highway at 70 or above and gets 11 or 12 mpg. I drove to the dunes a dozen times this year or more,mounds 6-8, bundy 5, twisted trails 5 or 6 times,rocks n valleys once and its not unuasual to drive to detroit from grand rapids a couple times a week.I wheeled the allegan forest all winter untill my motor blew up a month ago.there is NO WAY i could do that with 60 s under my jeep,i couldnt afford the gas,i dont want a trailer queen,thank you. how much do you drive your jeep on the street?i do over 30,000 a year plus wheel it hard.I didnt read where it said how hard he wheels or how much time he spends on the street,just that he wanted to run 35s.what size rigs does he wheel with?when he burries them lowrider 60swith 35s do any of his buddies have enough truck to pull him out?
Ive been called an idiot before and your welcome to keep your "every jeep needs 60 s" mentality.im gona continue to modify my jeep but im going to do my best to keep it as God intended when he built the first one.LIGHT,NARROW,AGILE .you lose all that.
if i wanted to wheel a one ton ,id a bought one. O ya ,been there.
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most likely they were just to cheap to regear.
a 4.0L geared right with any axle will go down the freeway fine.
one geared wrong(3.07 with 35's)will struggle.
Not to cheap,to broke! Im only running 32s with 373s,power around town and off road is fine but theres nuthin left for passn on the high way at 70-75. Im not sure gears would help much because down shifting to 4th puts it otta the power curve. I was savin for gears but now im building a stroker first,should help push my brick down the highway.i guess im to used to my other daily driver,400 hp 12 sec camaro.its fun on the high way.
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I personally run yota axles. But, it's not an option for stock drivetrain (passenger side drop). However, I run 35" boggers, 4:11 gears, and at the time a stock 4.0. It did just fine on the highway, and off road.
I also have a tj with 35" mtz's and 4:11's. Again, have no issues with power and speed with the 4.0.
I Have buddies that run 37's on stock axles with upgraded shafts and they have no issues.
In my opinion I'd get a spair set of shafts from the boneyard (cheap!) and run the stock axles all day! Plus, it'll buy you some time to make your mind up.
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Your an Idiot. I have been wheeling a 01 Tj with 60s and 38s with a 4 cyl, auto for the last 3 years. Yes it has 5.13s, and welded diffs. Other than a lack of power it is fine for wheeling. Hell it is possible that i drove it to work and even back and forth to the dunes a few times. At 70, no but 60 yes. Im currently putting a 4.0 in and im sure it will be just fine.
Im just laughing at that fact that you bring up driving to the dunes and then i notice you live in hart,next to the dunes. your going to the trouble to swap motors and stoping with a 4.0? And im the idiot?youve allready got the axles,put a ls1 or a hemi in it!! wtf?it will get way better fuel economy, the chevy will way less, and actually be able to spin the mud out of your 38s, or are they bald? and thats why your fine with 190 hp 4.0?
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ok, i need to clear a couple of things up...

i have ez-lockers front and rear in the jeep now, not true tracs like i stated previously, my bad.

my Jeep with the 4.0, 5 spd, 33's and 4.10 gears has plenty of power for running 75+ (i don't usually drive faster than 60 anyways).

the main reason i wanted to go with 35's is because no one in our group has tires larger than 35's and some guys are still on 31's. i don't want to look like i'm trying to show up all my friends on the trail by running 39" tires when i'm going to be limited to trails that are doable on 33's, lol.


in retrospect i guess i should be happy with what i have now, it's just that i ended up with these one ton axles and a clocked dana 300 twin stick for a steal and started thinking about bigger tires. i'm thinking i'll just put the stuff away for a later date when it might be more practical to start considering a larger tire and axle combo and in the meantime run what i have until the 35 breaks and swap in a 8.8 when that happens.
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I personally run yota axles. But, it's not an option for stock drivetrain (passenger side drop). However, I run 35" boggers, 4:11 gears, and at the time a stock 4.0. It did just fine on the highway, and off road.
I also have a tj with 35" mtz's and 4:11's. Again, have no issues with power and speed with the 4.0.
I Have buddies that run 37's on stock axles with upgraded shafts and they have no issues.
In my opinion I'd get a spair set of shafts from the boneyard (cheap!) and run the stock axles all day! Plus, it'll buy you some time to make your mind up.
hmmm... i could run my dana 300 with the yota axles....
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hmmm... i could run my dana 300 with the yota axles....
Thats a great idea.light,strong,good clearence,cheap parts,narrow,cheap wheels.
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