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Old January 24th, 2011, 06:58 PM   #121
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By the way, Becky, do you still have the deep truck oilpan or a shorter Corvette/Comaro oilpan? You will want the short one.
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By the way, Becky, do you still have the deep truck oilpan or a shorter Corvette/Comaro oilpan? You will want the short one.
Jim, have you had any trouble with losing oil pressure on a steep incline? I see lots of people tlak about it on Pirate, and I know 95Geo has got funky with his oil pan, but wasn't sure if thats only in like vertical waterfalls or what...
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Never had a problem that I am aware of. I went with the short tube pickup also which in my mind would be fine since it's towards the back.
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Old January 24th, 2011, 07:48 PM   #124
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With a high horsepower/ high heat engine, I always found the need for my fan to run longer than just shutting off with the engine. So, I went to a thermostat controlled one. That was fine until the friggin thermostat switch failed.

Stay mechanical. If it's good enough for GM, it's good enough for Becky.

On the big trucks I like to have the fan controlled by a thermostat, but have a switched hooked up so that it can be turned on manually.
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Old January 24th, 2011, 07:57 PM   #125
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No, it's the bigger pan, and I will be sticking with it. Had some feedback sent my way about smaller pans not giving enough oil when rig is tipped. As long as there's room, and i'm told there is, the bigger pan stays.
I've heard that but not experienced it. I find it hard to believe since even with the short pan it holds 6 quarts which is more than any older version SBC. I'll guarantee you that it will hang low and you will run the risk of smashing it on a rock. When I had the long pan in, it was lower than any other part of my frame or drivetrain. Right now, I have an integral skid plate that is flush to my engine pan and my trans pan and it's all scratched up. I've literally been sitting on my skid plate right under my engine.
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Old January 24th, 2011, 08:09 PM   #126
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I'll guarantee you that it will hang low and you will run the risk of smashing it on a rock. When I had the long pan in, it was lower than any other part of my frame or drivetrain.
Same in the Cherokees, it hangs WAY down. Skid plate or short pan.
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Same in the Cherokees, it hangs WAY down. Skid plate or short pan.
Or in my case, both.
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Here's where mine ended up in my scrambler, with the deep truck pan. Thats the pan behind the oil filter, the big boxy rectangle...




After seeing this, I will be swapping to the shorter style pan and pickup at some point, and probably skid it as well. I know I often hit my spring hangers on rock, and its hanging level with the bottom of them, so thats going to be an issue. I got my motor up as high as possible and the trans is completely up inside the rails.
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I also run the short oil filter. Oh, one other thing. There is a different internal baffle between the short and long pan. Maybe some of those guys having problems didn't bother to use the right baffle??
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Old January 24th, 2011, 08:36 PM   #130
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There is a different internal baffle between the short and long pan. Maybe some of those guys having problems didn't bother to use the right baffle??
Lots of discussion over on Pirate about this topic.
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Old January 24th, 2011, 08:41 PM   #131
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Old January 24th, 2011, 08:56 PM   #132
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Yeah, I've poked in that thread but not going to read all 90 pages. I see a lot of people asking questions but where are the posts by those with experience?
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This is the big oil pan thread there:

LSX engines using FBody oil pan - Oil control? - Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board
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Old January 24th, 2011, 09:30 PM   #134
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It is a 50/50 war from what I read...did a thread search with "oil pan" some have had issues with stock , some with aftermarket, just a matter of what works for your wheeling style it seems.
I've a got a pictorial for all the pans for the GIII/IV vehicles hanging around somewhere. I'll see if I can dig it up. I did see a slightly different version of it somewhere online though. The big difference betwen the truck pans and the Camaro and older Corvette pans are the forward and latteral slosh control. The walls and the 'mouse holes' as we called them just slow the oil from piling up at the front or sides of the pan in side to side skid pad testing. The truck does not have a forward side lip like the shallow pans do and they allow oil to flood the front of the engine and starve the pickup. Same thing the Kevko pans do but they do it with trap doors. They all try to do the same thing, keep the oil near the pickup so it doesn't starve. Something we looked at but the complexity/risk for failure was to great for a production vehicle. Hell we even went as far as designing a pickup called the 'swinging d_ck'! Literally is was a swinging pickup on a fixed tube that rotated in the bottom of the pan. It worked but at what cost? If you're intent on running it on it's side for extended periods I'd look into an accumulator. Short of that I'd use one of the short pans with the baffle walls and mouse holes. AND a oil pressure switch and light that is as bright as a 100 watt bulb. When it goes on, shut it down. Save yourself $1000's
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Old January 24th, 2011, 09:31 PM   #135
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Looks like Bryce could make some money if he put that pan together, lotsof interest in it on that thread
hahahaha, Ask him how his build is going!
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well, i just took the intake off beckys motor to swap on the new one (motor had a busted intake when she got it) and it isn't very pretty in there. the motor was definatley running when the intake broke and sucked a bunch of pieces in there. you can see right to the valves in a ls motor and can get some of the pieces out, but not sure if there is any that got between the pistons and valves? i think someone has been turning the motor over by hand because all the spark plugs have been out and are still loose. looks like a part of one of the injectors in there and the valves are very rusty. what do you guys think? here are some pics.





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So Jim,
How come I've never lost oil pressure (to my knowledge)?
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well, i just took the intake off beckys motor to swap on the new one (motor had a busted intake when she got it) and it isn't very pretty in there. the motor was definatley running when the intake broke and sucked a bunch of pieces in there. you can see right to the valves in a ls motor and can get some of the pieces out, but not sure if there is any that got between the pistons and valves? i think someone has been turning the motor over by hand because all the spark plugs have been out and are still loose. looks like a part of one of the injectors in there and the valves are very rusty. what do you guys think? here are some pics.
So Beckys motor is the one with the garbage dump in the intake ports?
If so, I wouldn't run it OR turn it over one more degree without pulling the heads.
You have who knows how much work ahead of you R&R the valves and checking them for straightness. Along with whatever was ingested in the engine and what damage that might have caused. Short block can probably stay together for now but I would still pull the brg caps and rod ends to eyeball the bearings.
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So Jim,
How come I've never lost oil pressure (to my knowledge)?
A. You're not hard core enough to run your Jeep on it's side for more than a minute. Your soft.
B. As I highlighted........how do you know?
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ouchhh.. thats a terrible find
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