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Old January 23rd, 2011, 06:22 PM   #101
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Yup. In fact, on a lot of 6.0/4L80e combos had that spacer as an OEM piece, because they didn't make a longer snout 4L80e.

Make sure you get the longer crankshaft bolts as well to go with it.
Torque converter bolts.... The flexplate has to stay where it is or the starter won't line up correctly. Most of the adapters I have seen don't use any of the crankshaft bolts to fasten it but if the one she gets does then those are needed too.

If you do use longer crankshaft bolts make sure they aren't too long or you'll lock up the engine by bottoming out on the bearing cap.
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Old January 23rd, 2011, 07:48 PM   #102
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Keep in mind mine is a 6.0 mated to a TH350. Flex plate stayed the same. I had to slot the holes in my flex plate because the 3 bolt pattern is slightly different in the torque converter. The only difference I had was I needed the pilot spacer/adapter.

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Old January 23rd, 2011, 08:29 PM   #103
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Torque converter bolts.... The flexplate has to stay where it is or the starter won't line up correctly. Most of the adapters I have seen don't use any of the crankshaft bolts to fasten it but if the one she gets does then those are needed too.

If you do use longer crankshaft bolts make sure they aren't too long or you'll lock up the engine by bottoming out on the bearing cap.
I was referring to the GM performance parts spacer. This one goes after the flexplate, between the plate and the converter. This style requires bolts which are 0.400" longer.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-12563532/

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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-12563533/

goes like in this pic: (from pirate)

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Old January 23rd, 2011, 08:33 PM   #104
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here are the facts about fitting an old style trans to the gen3 engines

1. the gm gen1,2 trans will bolt to the gen3 engines but you only use 5 bolts, the gen 3 engines do not use the middle bellhousing bolt on the pass side( no big deal)

2. you do not need a special flexplate, the curved 4.8,5.3,LS1- just need the t/c bolt holes ovaled out a bit and the 5.3 flex plates have a set of holes that match the small gm t/c bolt pattern perfect

- the 6.0 flat flex plate has the same t/c holes as the large gm pattern(th400 and most aftermarket th350 converters that have a dual t/c bolt pattern on them)

3. you need to use a crankshaft spacer when using a gen1,2 trans and converter there are 2 types:

- hughes gen3 crankshaft spacer part # hup-3795 $44 from summit/jegs, this spacer must be used with the curved 4.8,5.3,LS1 flexplates

- gm stock 6.0 crankshaft spacer 12563532 and longer bolts 12563533, this spacer can be used with either the flat or curved flexplate ( if using the curved style flexplate the flexplate goes on the crank first then the spacer goes on then the bolts, if using the flat 6.0 flexplate the spacer goes on the crankshaft first then the flexplate then the bolts)



So, in the pic above, thats correct for an LS1 or 5.3. And then it appears it'd go the other way for a 6.0, which was the factory configuration. Really depends on what flexplate setup she has.
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Old January 23rd, 2011, 08:40 PM   #105
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I think this is the style you were thinking of?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HU...5&autoview=sku

Really really check the flywheel to see which you have.
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Old January 23rd, 2011, 08:47 PM   #106
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I think this is the style you were thinking of?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HU...5&autoview=sku

Really really check the flywheel to see which you have.

why if it came on that motor just run it
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Old January 23rd, 2011, 10:11 PM   #107
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I just did one of these, D&E Transmission on 10 mile near dequindre has a kit for the 4L80 that has the flexplate, Spacer, and bolts to make it all work for about $80. The correct bolts from GM are about $5 each, plus the spacer, the flexplate is almost free in the kit.

Edit: I take that back, Summit claims $10.99 each for the bolts, and they are specific for the flex plate, as Geo said, don't get them too long!
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Old January 24th, 2011, 02:28 AM   #108
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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-12563532/
Ordered this and bolts. Found them in a 6 pack for about half the price.
Becky you overpaid......


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CATEGORY: Engine Flywheel
PACK QTY: 1
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GM LIST: $53.39
OUR PRICE: $31.04

GM PART # 12563533
CATEGORY: All
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You can order a extra bolt from summit for the one that WILL get lost.
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Old January 24th, 2011, 06:23 AM   #109
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At work, thats why I had time to look.
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i wants a job viewing the interwebz too.
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I'm almost positive the 6 hole flexplate I gave you with the engine already had the spacer with it and just needed the longer bolts
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Old January 24th, 2011, 10:38 AM   #112
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I'm almost positive the 6 hole flexplate I gave you with the engine already had the spacer with it and just needed the longer bolts
that's what i thought also.
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use a mechanical fan not an electric for the radiator. she will always forget to turn it on or off if electric.
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use a mechanical fan not an electric for the radiator. she will always forget to turn it on or off if electric.
They can set up the ecm to do that.
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He went thru all the parts I gave him, but I will have him double check.
It's on the motor already.....
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They can set up the ecm to do that.
With a high horsepower/ high heat engine, I always found the need for my fan to run longer than just shutting off with the engine. So, I went to a thermostat controlled one. That was fine until the friggin thermostat switch failed.

Stay mechanical. If it's good enough for GM, it's good enough for Becky.
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It's on the motor already.....
i am sure i saw it. she told me yesterday about that and it did not make sense to me, because i thought all that was already there.
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Stay mechanical. If it's good enough for GM, it's good enough for Becky.
i remember you saying that.
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i remember you saying that.
Good job sonny. You keep remembering things I say and you might just turn out alright.
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I'm surprised they'd take the spacer and not the flexplate. I remember when I took the old 3 bolt dished flexplate off(engine was originally mated to a 4L65E) to replace it with the 6 bolt right before you came and got it, the spacer was pressed pretty tightly into the flexplate.
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