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Old December 22nd, 2010, 08:35 PM   #1
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Hey guys, im new to the site and thought i would finally post up some pics of what i got goin on! Took a break from my xj and bought a winter project...i dont quite know what ive got myself into yet but it looks to be some serious shit. From what i know its a mid-engine sand rail with a covair engine in it. Ive built a few sand rails but this will be my first mid-engine. specs below, comment and enjoy!

Engine- 140 hp corvair, 6 cylinder, air cooled.

Trans- vw with the gears floped to run the other way due to the mid engine set up.

Frame is an unknown make, but im 100% positive its from a factory..

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Old December 22nd, 2010, 09:14 PM   #2
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wheelie pullin motha! should be lots of fun
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That is either a whitehill or a appletree frame ill bet.
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 09:35 PM   #4
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that trans is going to blow...sorry its the truth...type1 swing axles dont like alot of power let alone power while running flipped

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that trans is going to blow...sorry its the truth
Debbie Downer strikes again!
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 09:39 PM   #6
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i dont want to be a downer...i've been around WAY too many VW's
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Thanks for the comments....i was thinking the same thing on the frame...looks like it mite be a whitehill to me, but the guy said it could be appletree so who knows...but i havent had time to look their kits up yet. and ya the trans is questionable, but if it go it goes...just gives me an excuse to upgrade
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Old December 23rd, 2010, 03:53 AM   #8
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Built for wheelie donuts? Seems like that's what's going to happen with one of the paddles mounted backwards.
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I was thinking the same thing.
Will be fun to drive!
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The guy i bought it from had no idea what he had or what he was doing, so thanks to him i got a paddle tire thats on wrong.... should of seen some of the other stuff that was on thing when i got it
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It looks like and sand toy frame. Whitehill and appletree frames usually have the windshiels laid back a lot more. The front end is what really throws me off. The trans apears to have a rhino case which is very strong, And a heavy duty side plate on it. The only downside is it is on the wrong side for a mid engine buggy. Does the shifter operate all 4 gears? or is it just 1-2 gear only. Looks like a good start to a project that never got finished.
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Old December 23rd, 2010, 06:25 PM   #12
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How old is it? after looking at the pictures again it looks like a preator sand car chassie. I have a bare 4 seater mid engine in the barn I will have to look at tomorrow.
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pitbull2332- I have no idea on the age or anything, the frame is around 5 years old or less but its mint, the engine is from the 60's and trans i have no idea...what else can u tell me about the trans? and how can i tell if its a rhino case? the trans is still unknow inside thow...the shift linkage isant hooked up, it does shift but ill have to see how many gears. It does look alot like a preator sand car, but ive never seen one up close. so idk, any info you got would be helpful! Thanks!
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pitbull2332- I have no idea on the age or anything, the frame is around 5 years old or less but its mint, the engine is from the 60's and trans i have no idea...what else can u tell me about the trans? and how can i tell if its a rhino case? the trans is still unknow inside thow...the shift linkage isant hooked up, it does shift but ill have to see how many gears. It does look alot like a preator sand car, but ive never seen one up close. so idk, any info you got would be helpful! Thanks!
the transmission is a type 1 and it looks like it has a swingaxle setup the type 1 can handle the power if it is built right but idk how to tell if its a rhino case

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If the frame is 5yrs old or less it is not an appletree frame, they stopped making them in the early 80's, whitehill sold out in the mid to late 90's. But garth just started making buggy frames about 3 years ago. But not in any kind of volume, 10-15 a year. It could be an XTC buggy they bought out whitehill, and all there chassie jigs. But like i said earlier it does not look like a whitehill. post up some close up shots of the trans, Top of the case an the nose cone area. And the side covers.
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the transmission is a type 1 and it looks like it has a swingaxle setup the type 1 can handle the power if it is built right but idk how to tell if its a rhino case
that trans is std type 1 pre 1969...1969 and up are IRS. And no you cannot build them to be strong. You can get them to handle a little bit of power, but you have to be careful or it WILL blow.. Out of all the type 1, the swing axle is stronger than the IRS, but both are the big weak link using that style of trans. I'm not sure how you can see a heavy duty side plate because I cant see one from the pics. the side plate is what holds the ring carrier in place. I've never hard of this rhino case the one guy is claiming. I will tell you there was NEVER a "rhino" case transaxle that came from VW
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okay I looked up what a rhino case transaxle is and that is not it...it was in fact an aftermarket trans case that has been reinforced
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that trans is std type 1 pre 1969...1969 and up are IRS. And no you cannot build them to be strong. You can get them to handle a little bit of power, but you have to be careful or it WILL blow.. Out of all the type 1, the swing axle is stronger than the IRS, but both are the big weak link using that style of trans. I'm not sure how you can see a heavy duty side plate because I cant see one from the pics. the side plate is what holds the ring carrier in place. I've never hard of this rhino case the one guy is claiming. I will tell you there was NEVER a "rhino" case transaxle that came from VW
oh ok im gonna use a type 002 that i had on my rail for my baja project but i was told im gonna have to do some fabrication to make it fit
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Thanks for the info guys! heres pics of the trans...














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yeah man looks like a lot of fun
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