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Old November 10th, 2010, 02:47 PM   #61
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Remind me what the rules are for stoning people morally.
None under the new covenant.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 02:56 PM   #62
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Supreme Court case: Lemon vs Kurtzman

"For a law to be considered constitutional under the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, the law must have a legitimate secular purpose, must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion, and must not result in an excessive entanglement of government and religion."

Read up on Clause 3.
Excessive government entanglement in religion = Reading a bible during a session and making a law because of the bibles statements.
^That's your opinion, not mine.

I don't care what the Supreme Court opinion is either. We WERE talking about original intent of the constitution not what nine a-holes in black robes think.

Do you really think that even if he wanted to pass a law based completely on his religious beliefs, that the other 434 congressional members, 100 senators, the president, the people, the state governments, and the courts will all go along for the ride without a challenge? Seriously?

You should be more worried about how they are trying (and succeeding) at robbing you blind through inflation and taxation, and not worry so much about what one congressional member believes about God.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 03:05 PM   #63
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Remind me what the rules are for stoning people morally.
There are none. That doesn't fit under "Love your neigbors as your self". Unless, Of course, you like to stone your self. Not to be confused with getting stoned.

When Jesus fulfilled the laws of Sanctification and Justification to God we no longer needed to stone people for disobeying the law. It's called grace. WE are in a period of Grace right now. Next will be judgment.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 03:14 PM   #64
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while Christianity, Islam and Judaism all claim Abraham-based foundations, Islam "was given by God through the angel Gabriel to the prophet Muhammad" in or around 610 AD - Christianity therefore would predate Islam by most accounts.
The question was what faiths pre-dated the Bible. But that is a moot point. While you are correct in theory, Islam is still an Abrahamic religion and Abraham definitely pre-dated the Bible.




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Old November 10th, 2010, 03:15 PM   #65
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The ten commandments for starters is the basis of our laws.
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1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
Nope, no law that I know of a based on that.

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2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
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3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
There may be some laws about swearing but I'm pretty sure you can legally say "god damn" all you want.

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4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Yes, there are still some "blue laws" telling us what we can or cannot do on Sundays. I'd like all of these repealed.

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5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
Nope, no laws that I know of. Lately is seem like the laws on that have gone the other way.

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6 “You shall not murder.
Yeah, OK we have a law against that, but most societies do, it is not unique to any one society.

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7 “You shall not commit adultery.
There may be a few laws on the books about that some places, but they are rarely enforced except in unique situations. Most should be repealed.

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8 “You shall not steal.
Like laws on murder, not unique to one society.

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9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Yes, there are laws against slander and lying in court. But again, is this really unique?

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10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”
Nope, I know of no anti-coveting laws.

So while there may be some laws that are similar to the Ten Commandments, I don't see to many "based" on it, and the ones I do see I don't like.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 05:57 PM   #66
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Really? Lets check the list:
You're giving him way more credit that he deserves.

The only two I would give him are murder and lying(perjury)
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Old November 10th, 2010, 06:12 PM   #67
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God is mentioned, so God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are all in one. Just because JC is not mentioned and God is. What's the problem
No where in the constitution does it mention Islam, Budda or any other religion only Christianity and the bible.
What faiths are you talking about as being older than the bible?
FOR THE LAST TIME, JESUS CHRIST NOR THE WORD CHRISTIANITY CAN BE FOUND IN THE CONSTITUTION. PROVE ME WRONG OR STFU!

Also, religions other than christianity refer to "God" but do look upon Jesus Christ as a diety. Judaism and Dieism for starters. Just because "God" is mentioned, that does not default to christianity.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 06:16 PM   #68
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Also, religions other than christianity refer to "God" but do look upon Jesus Christ as a diety.
What is this diet all about? Never heard about it before.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 06:41 PM   #69
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Old November 10th, 2010, 08:34 PM   #70
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Remind me what the rules are for stoning people morally.
According to the muslim faith it is allowed if a woman cheats on her husband. Even to this day it happens in muslim countries.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 08:47 PM   #71
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FOR THE LAST TIME, JESUS CHRIST NOR THE WORD CHRISTIANITY CAN BE FOUND IN THE CONSTITUTION. PROVE ME WRONG OR STFU!

Also, religions other than christianity refer to "God" but do look upon Jesus Christ as a diety. Judaism and Dieism for starters. Just because "God" is mentioned, that does not default to christianity.
When God in mentioned it is all about Christianity, because all the rest are false and have no power.
As for the constitution being written by God fearing men. In thier own writtings they talk about Jesus Christ and refer to Him and about Him throughout their writtings.
God is Jesus.
It is difficult to wrap your brain around how can this be, but it is. I can't figure it out either. But I accept Him for who He says He is and thats good enough for me.
Hey check out wallbuilders.com they have a ton of writings by our founding fathers.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 08:52 PM   #72
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Nope, no law that I know of a based on that.



Nope.



There may be some laws about swearing but I'm pretty sure you can legally say "god damn" all you want.



Yes, there are still some "blue laws" telling us what we can or cannot do on Sundays. I'd like all of these repealed.



Nope, no laws that I know of. Lately is seem like the laws on that have gone the other way.



Yeah, OK we have a law against that, but most societies do, it is not unique to any one society.



There may be a few laws on the books about that some places, but they are rarely enforced except in unique situations. Most should be repealed.



Like laws on murder, not unique to one society.



Yes, there are laws against slander and lying in court. But again, is this really unique?



Nope, I know of no anti-coveting laws.

So while there may be some laws that are similar to the Ten Commandments, I don't see to many "based" on it, and the ones I do see I don't like.
In the old testiment in the book of Deuteronomy and Leviticus talk about all types of law. That is were we have gotten the basis of our own law.
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If our country and it's laws were founded on the writings in a book of fairy tales, that explains why it's not even 250 years old, and going to shit.


This isn't necessarily what I believe. The fairy tale type stuff though is over the top.


I have yet to look for it but want to. And soon......The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth

Thomas Jefferson's version without all the fairy tale BS (as I understand it anyhow-have yet to see a copy)

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When God in mentioned it is all about Christianity, because all the rest are false and have no power.
As for the constitution being written by God fearing men. In thier own writtings they talk about Jesus Christ and refer to Him and about Him throughout their writtings.
God is Jesus.
It is difficult to wrap your brain around how can this be, but it is. I can't figure it out either. But I accept Him for who He says He is and thats good enough for me.
Hey check out wallbuilders.com they have a ton of writings by our founding fathers.
You sir have failed. Again. You have not proven me wrong. Also, Wallbuilders is not an objective resource and has been proven wrong again and again.

Jews believe in God but are not Christians so saying the word "God" in a document does not default to Christianity. Your club is no better than any of the others. Stop trying to claim something that is not yours.
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In the old testiment in the book of Deuteronomy and Leviticus talk about all types of law. That is were we have gotten the basis of our own law.
I proved you wrong that last time on this. Spreading a lie over and over again does not make it the truth. Oh, wait, that's Christianity.
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What is this diet all about? Never heard about it before.
J.C. like his sweets.
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None under the new covenant.
Please give me the line of demarcation for rules that can be ingnored from the Old Testament. If I get in a fight and my wife tries to assist me, I'm pretty sure my wife will no longer go to Hell if she kicks my attacker in the balls. Also I understand I can now mix crops in my fields without buring in eternal damnation but what about the other wacky rules of the Old Testament like burning in Hell for beating off?
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Old November 11th, 2010, 06:45 AM   #78
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Please give me the line of demarcation for rules that can be ingnored from the Old Testament. If I get in a fight and my wife tries to assist me, I'm pretty sure my wife will no longer go to Hell if she kicks my attacker in the balls. Also I understand I can now mix crops in my fields without buring in eternal damnation but what about the other wacky rules of the Old Testament like burning in Hell for beating off?
or being gay, or eating shellfish, or haircuts...
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Old November 11th, 2010, 07:39 AM   #79
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or being gay, or eating shellfish, or haircuts...
I agree with the Gay rule
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I agree with the Gay rule
it's funny that you pick just that one to agree with and throw all the rest out...
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