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Old October 13th, 2010, 06:36 AM   #21
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Maybe we should leave the trucks parked for a year or two and see if the spectators like that!
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Old October 13th, 2010, 08:30 AM   #22
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Maybe we should leave the trucks parked for a year or two and see if the spectators like that!
I use to run a few years back when it was fun. Had a 4 banger with 42" tires, I was there because it was fun. Go ahead and park you truck Matt, trust me you won't be missed by the spectators, they Don't come to just see you. What do you race for, them, cash, the rush, fun? You guys get to technical sometimes, unless you check every vehicle from top to bottom you should just run tire class. Really what is this about, what you can build or how much cash you have to spend? Good luck with pleasing everyone, just remember "KISS", "Keep It Simple Stupid". Tried to just add my .02 but guess I may have went over budget by a nickel, so thats my .07
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Old October 13th, 2010, 11:35 AM   #23
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I use to run a few years back when it was fun. Had a 4 banger with 42" tires, I was there because it was fun. Go ahead and park you truck Matt, trust me you won't be missed by the spectators, they Don't come to just see you. What do you race for, them, cash, the rush, fun? You guys get to technical sometimes, unless you check every vehicle from top to bottom you should just run tire class. Really what is this about, what you can build or how much cash you have to spend? Good luck with pleasing everyone, just remember "KISS", "Keep It Simple Stupid". Tried to just add my .02 but guess I may have went over budget by a nickel, so thats my .07
I know that people don't come to just to see me they come to watch a good show. I know the runs around here rely on the spectators to make a few $. I tell you what i would rather race for a large crowd rather than racing for 50-100 $ and the rush has somthing to do with it also. The rules should be kept simple.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 12:00 PM   #24
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Can never please everyone. Big thing is payback. You have a big payback and the trucks will come no matter the rules. Lots of trucks=lots of spectators.

I ran at the TAMR Millington show this year and there was 50 trucks in bog 4 with 100% payback plus an additional few hundred put up by the club.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 01:45 PM   #25
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Maybe we should leave the trucks parked for a year or two and see if the spectators like that!
if you guys want the local mud runs to go away this is the attitude to make that happen i put a shit load of effort into making a good organizted mud run and I DON'T MAKE MONEY DOING IT I DO IT SO WE HAVE SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO RUN!!!!!!!!!!!! TWO YEARS AGO THERE WAS ONLY A COUPLE PLACES CLOSE TO RUN, NOW THAT SOMEGUYS ARE GETTING FASTER THEY WANT TO EXPAND THERE AREA THATS FINE BUT JUST REMEMBER THE MORE TRUCKS AT ONE EVENT THE BETTER THE PAY OUT!
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I like that John.. I guess that is what I would have like to have said yesterday.. "KISS" We do not want to make things so difficult that we have to spend three hours teching all of the trucks before we can even play.. Creat a new class so some people can be competetive maybe.. But if only rule changes are made, people will adapt to the new rules, we will still have the same probelms and complaints as before, and be right back in the same place again.
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Many good points but, I have to agree with keeping it simple. I built my truck for moms pro street rules but seldom have the chance to run there so I run where the mud is I don't like running my factory suspension/engine location against linked trucks with coil overs and set back engines but its all part of the game.

In My perfect world there would be,

Factory, Lift and tires the only mod.

Pro street, Engine mods, fender trimming, Factory suspension/location.

Mod, Run what you brung.
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Old October 14th, 2010, 10:14 AM   #28
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Many good points but, I have to agree with keeping it simple. I built my truck for moms pro street rules but seldom have the chance to run there so I run where the mud is I don't like running my factory suspension/engine location against linked trucks with coil overs and set back engines but its all part of the game.

In My perfect world there would be,

Factory, Lift and tires the only mod.

Pro street, Engine mods, fender trimming, Factory suspension/location.

Mod, Run what you brung.
This si pretty much what I said but I added tire sizes.
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Many good points but, I have to agree with keeping it simple. I built my truck for moms pro street rules but seldom have the chance to run there so I run where the mud is I don't like running my factory suspension/engine location against linked trucks with coil overs and set back engines but its all part of the game.

In My perfect world there would be,

Factory, Lift and tires the only mod.

Pro street, Engine mods, fender trimming, Factory suspension/location.

Mod, Run what you brung.
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This si pretty much what I said but I added tire sizes.

I like this as well,...............
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Well what ever the rules i will still race, Just would like them figured out so that we can modify to the right class. If rule changes are made i think that we will still have the same problem and the same people will be racing against each other Thus being said we will go thourgh this again next year. I think that the KISS rule would be the better and faster way to put on a show heck look at the show that most of us went to this fall in Freemont tons of trucks and a couple thousand spectators THAT WAS FUN!!! Just my 2cents again.
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Well what ever the rules i will still race, Just would like them figured out so that we can modify to the right class. If rule changes are made i think that we will still have the same problem and the same people will be racing against each other Thus being said we will go thourgh this again next year. I think that the KISS rule would be the better and faster way to put on a show heck look at the show that most of us went to this fall in Freemont tons of trucks and a couple thousand spectators THAT WAS FUN!!! Just my 2cents again.
I think your still 2 cents short
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I think your still 2 cents short
Why might that be?
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Old October 14th, 2010, 10:22 PM   #33
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As far as money goes no-body dislikes it! Say what you may...

Simple is better, which what I suggested too.

Parking your ride does work, been there done that. More than once. Not running my Pro-street ride against a superstock/mod type. It is neither fun or practical. It is not an arrogance thing it is a choice. What few races I have attended this year I noticed that I am not the only one. The mods that have been "allowed" are substantial performance enhancements. Heck for a long time a slapper bar was the only kind of traction device that was allowed. Like I said b4 some people race for fun, and some to win. Who cares; everyone does it for their own reasons. The places that put on races should be appreciated. The people who run them also need to appreciate the input they solicit. Whether it is tough to swallow or not. More is better, nobody wants to race with only 3 other trucks. So lets figure it out instead of throwing darts. The freemont run was quite fascinating , there is only one other race I heard of all year that many trucks, and boy those rules were as basic as it gets.
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Old October 15th, 2010, 01:50 PM   #34
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This is a great thread fellas. Lets keep it constructive.

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yah.. Thats a moms run..street class is 36' and under
Factory street class is any d.o.t(no cuts)

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Similar at Sand Lake this year............I had to run my XJ against an Alcohol burner in the street class.

I guess the biggest bummer for me, is that there is no chance to win in a streetable vehicle in the street class.
There were no alcohol 'burners' at Sand Lake in 2010.

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The freemont run was quite fascinating , there is only one other race I heard of all year that many trucks, and boy those rules were as basic as it gets.
How many locals and new comers were turned off by the lack of rules and the fact that no trucks were even teched in?
I know in August, Frank (Vendetta) raced in the 'street' class and left some people unhappy.

Is there a solution? I guess that is for the racers to decide. Have at it fellas.
Has anyone looked at the MRA? They have a shit ton of rules. But, they also have a huge network of racers and tracks covering the southern US. Are they setting a new standard?

A heard a few guys say they like to know the rules before they go to places.
With one standard set of rules, racers know what to expect. The rules set can range from 'KISS' to convoluted MRA rules. The most important part is that everyone is on the same page.
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Can you honestly say, that you personally checked every vehicle that ran?

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i raced at a moms event a few years ago. i have a stock jeep except for an aftermarket fiberglass body and they made me run the unlimited class which i had no chance in hell to even compete in. that was the first and last moms event i went to.
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Many good points but, I have to agree with keeping it simple. I built my truck for moms pro street rules but seldom have the chance to run there so I run where the mud is I don't like running my factory suspension/engine location against linked trucks with coil overs and set back engines but its all part of the game.

In My perfect world there would be,

Factory, Lift and tires the only mod.

Pro street, Engine mods, fender trimming, Factory suspension/location.

Mod, Run what you brung.
I like these rules as well!

Last year in wolverine i ran my blazer in the stock class w/ 35" boggers. Stock was 35" and down. There was a guy w/ a Ford F150 complaining about having to run me when he only had 33" boggers.......then he fired his truck up 460ci engine!! my 355 against a 460... still beat him though!!
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I like run what ya brung rules ie fowler farms no alchol or nitrous in tire classes other than that any thing goes the only class i thought should have more rules was street tire those buggys & bad az jeeps chased a lot of real street trucks away on drag side ive seen 4.0 jeep chorakee win class when every other truck in class went out of bounds ive seen bone stock 318 on bald 31s take 1st in 4 tire classes in 1 day there were a lot of trucks well north of 600 hp in those classes ive seen chevota02 die in middle of pit restart blow pit and still placed in that class my girlfriends truck is tube frame bbc with alum heads gets beat by near stock trucks how many times have you seen racing jason be fastest truck and not place because he went out of bounds always a good show but still | places i wont go ? fellow racer tells me a bog has foot or more of standing water im not going ! i think we lost cool place to race in battle creek by not enough support was a cool park JMO
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Can you honestly say, that you personally checked every vehicle that ran?
At our shows each vehicle is teched in by an officail.
For the first time in history, at the Sand Lake race 'WE' did not. However, Tim Bunker and his crew were responsible for teching at his race in Sand Lake.

Our rules have never allowed alcohol in any mud bog, only mud drag racing. And believe me, you can smell alcohol burning, no one was burning it.

As is stressed at the drivers meeting. If you think something is wrong, bring it up THEN.

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I hear what your saying Matt...I am a fan of tire classes and run what ya brung myself. It just seems to me we'll lose guys like careless that don't have a fair stock class.
My next statement would include my jeep too..there are also rigs that run in "pro street" type classes that are borderline. Some of things we run against now-a-days are 4-linked, coil overed, Proffesionally cut tires, racing wheels. Like I said I am by no means a victim. We will just lose racers because they are not compettitve. I hear a-lot of guys say they don't care, and the race for fun. For me I can-not grasp that concept, I do not like getting beat. I'll just not race case and point 2010 I only went 6 times.
Look at moms rules..great safety and fair but zero participants. I've raced with them for twenty years and still like it, but I can't remember when they filled up a class w/25 trucks? It just seems to me simple is better. Factory Street class>Pro street w/33,36,40,44>Super(4link,stripped & gutted,cuts) w/ 36, 44>Open class no performance limiting Rules.
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5 class's
1) Stock no headers, no gutting, complete streetable vechicle. no nitrous, no blowers etc.
2)33" and down DOT
3) 35" and down but must have at least 2 35" tires
4) 38" " " " " " " 2 38" tires
5) 44" " " " " " " 44" tires
No cuts
No 4 link
No alcohal
No coil overs
No aftermarket transfer cases
No fiberglass racing bodies
Any motor
Any tranmission
Maybe 2 class's in here with cut tires only same rules as above 36" down and 44" down

6) Open anything goes
This is pretty much the way it was a long time ago and maybe it is time to go back that direction. Just my humble opinion off course.

From looking at these, looks like Adrenaline will be competing everywhere except stock
Henry has no 4 link, and as far as stripping, more of his truck is there than some of the guys who currently run pro street.

Will forcing new comers and locals to compete against trucks like his open up the market(ie:bring more people out to race)?
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