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Old October 18th, 2010, 12:49 PM   #41
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I am not a liberal. Timmothy McVeigh was a bible thumped moron. Irreguardless of his motives, he was a Christian who attacked innocent americans.
His attack had nothing to do with his religion, while muslims all attack in the name of god.

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Old October 18th, 2010, 12:54 PM   #43
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Where did I say he made his attack because of his religion? I said he was a christian who made an attack on US soil against americans.

However, IMHO, all "religious types" are radicalists...
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Where did I say he made his attack because of his religion? I said he was a christian who made an attack on US soil against americans.

However, IMHO, all "religious types" are radicalists...
A Christian who happens to murder someone just to murder someone isn't doing it in the name of religion. That's the route you were heading.

A bunch of Muslims praising Allah while killing a few thousand people is a big different.
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I am not a liberal. Timmothy McVeigh was a bible thumped moron. Irreguardless of his motives, he was a Christian who attacked innocent americans.
Please site the source of your assertion. Random opinions are not good debating fodder. If you are willing to ignore his motives, I would argue that since he was also a Green Beret, and by your logic that makes Green Berets homicidal maniacs. The difference between McVeigh and the Muslim terrorist of Sept 11th infamy is that the Sept 11th murderers killed because of and in the name of their religion. Also, the killing itself was a seen as a religious act. . McVeigh may have claimed Christian theology, but the murders were not motivated by or done in the name of Christianity. The following is and excerpt from "The Oklahoma City Bombing & The Trial of Timothy McVeigh" by Douglas O. Linder (2006).:

"For Timothy McVeigh, April 19 stood out as a date with multiple historical meanings. It was, probably foremost to the former visitor to Waco, the date in 1995 that the federal government launched its attack on the Branch Davidian compound in Texas, with the horrific loss of life that resulted. McVeigh also knew April 19 to be the date in 1775 that the Battle of Lexington occurred, marking the beginning of the armed uprising by colonialists against British control. In his getaway car, McVeigh included a bumper sticker that he expected--probably wanted--authorities to find. The bumper sticker carried the quote of Revolutionary War patriot Samuel Adams, "WHEN THE GOVERNMENT FEARS THE PEOPLE, THERE IS LIBERTY. WHEN THE PEOPLE FEAR THE GOVERNMENT, THERE IS TYRANNY." Below the slogan, McVeigh scribbled his own words: "Maybe now, there will be liberty!" April 19 of 1995, McVeigh also certainly knew, was to be the scheduled day of execution in Arkansas for a white supremacist Richard Snell, formerly of Elohim City, who had--years earlier--targeted the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City as the site for a potential bombing.

On the morning that he would become the greatest mass murderer in American history, McVeigh chose to wear a T-shirt with a drawing of Abraham Lincoln and the words shouted by John Wilkes Booth after his assassination of the president, "SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS" ("thus ever to tyrants")."


They did not find any bibles in the car, nor religious manifestos, nor did he spout any such things at his trial. Clearly his motiviation was not religiously motivated.

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Please site the source of your assertion. Random opinions are not good debating fodder. If you are willing to ignore his motives, I would argue that since he was also a Green Beret, and by your logic that makes Green Berets homicidal maniacs. The difference between McVeigh and the Muslim terrorist of Sept 11th infamy is that the Sept 11th murders killed because of and in the name of their religion. Also, the killing itself was a seen as a religious act. . McVeigh may have claimed Christian theology, but the murders were not motivated by or done in the name of Christianity. The following is and excerpt from "The Oklahoma City Bombing & The Trial of Timothy McVeigh" by Douglas O. Linder (2006).:

"For Timothy McVeigh, April 19 stood out as a date with multiple historical meanings. It was, probably foremost to the former visitor to Waco, the date in 1995 that the federal government launched its attack on the Branch Davidian compound in Texas, with the horrific loss of life that resulted. McVeigh also knew April 19 to be the date in 1775 that the Battle of Lexington occurred, marking the beginning of the armed uprising by colonialists against British control. In his getaway car, McVeigh included a bumper sticker that he expected--probably wanted--authorities to find. The bumper sticker carried the quote of Revolutionary War patriot Samuel Adams, "WHEN THE GOVERNMENT FEARS THE PEOPLE, THERE IS LIBERTY. WHEN THE PEOPLE FEAR THE GOVERNMENT, THERE IS TYRANNY." Below the slogan, McVeigh scribbled his own words: "Maybe now, there will be liberty!" April 19 of 1995, McVeigh also certainly knew, was to be the scheduled day of execution in Arkansas for a white supremacist Richard Snell, formerly of Elohim City, who had--years earlier--targeted the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City as the site for a potential bombing.

On the morning that he would become the greatest mass murderer in American history, McVeigh chose to wear a T-shirt with a drawing of Abraham Lincoln and the words shouted by John Wilkes Booth after his assassination of the president, "SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS" ("thus ever to tyrants")."


They did not find any bibles in the car, nor religious manifestos, nor did he spout any such things at his trial. Clearly his motiviation was not religiously motivated.
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He may have made the claim he was a Christian but his actions prove otherwise.
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He may have made the claim he was a Christian but his actions prove otherwise.
This statement suggests there are exactly ZERO christians alive today.

That is all.....

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This statement suggests there are exactly ZERO christians alive today.

That is all.....
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