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Old October 8th, 2010, 11:52 AM   #1
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAOF1FDMRV.DTL

Overestimate fueled state's landmark diesel law

Wyatt Buchanan, Chronicle Sacramento Bureau
Friday, October 8, 2010




California grossly miscalculated pollution levels in a scientific analysis used to toughen the state's clean-air standards, and scientists have spent the past several months revising data and planning a significant weakening of the landmark regulation, The Chronicle has found.


The pollution estimate in question was too high - by 340 percent, according to the California Air Resources Board, the state agency charged with researching and adopting air quality standards. The estimate was a key part in the creation of a regulation adopted by the Air Resources Board in 2007, a rule that forces businesses to cut diesel emissions by replacing or making costly upgrades to heavy-duty, diesel-fueled off-road vehicles used in construction and other industries.
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Ok, now I know I'm going to sound like a liberal right now, but isn't it kind of a good thing that all these manuf's were forced to meet this new law? Don't we have much cleaner running diesels now?
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At the consumer's expense. You're right, the governement should dictate the free market, not the consumers.
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Seriously? So if you think there wasn't any regulations whatsoever on pollution, that would be a good thing? You can't let the private sector regulate pollution. Can you imagine what our lakes would be like without regulations?
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I am glad they are backing them off. on a standard diesel truck it adds about $12-16k in savings if they can eliminate the crap that they force down the manufacturers throats.

why do you think `07 and earlier trucks are costing so much? its cause nobody wants to pay the premium wallet for the new ones with all the crap on them.
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Seriously? So if you think there wasn't any regulations whatsoever on pollution, that would be a good thing? You can't let the private sector regulate pollution. Can you imagine what our lakes would be like without regulations?
i agree there should be regulations, but the government restrictions within the last 5 years has been nearly out of control. IMO the new diesel regulations were not warranted and are only taxing the consumers during an already struggling economic downturn. Keep in mind I'm not only taking about someone like you or me going out to buy a new truck, I'm talking about the entire shipping industry country wide having to pay more for their equipment and overhead, which of course gets passed on to you and me.

The government is demanding such a steep change in the american market that it is hurting the american public. I agree we need to aim for a better product froma green aspect, but the rate of change is simply not managable given the current economy or current resources.

Don't even get me started about how the new EPA requirements that are pushing automakers into using hybrids are actually worse for the economy than if they just developed more efficient ICE's. People think batteries are good for the environment? Yikes.
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Ok, now I know I'm going to sound like a liberal right now, but isn't it kind of a good thing that all these manuf's were forced to meet this new law? Don't we have much cleaner running diesels now?
define cleaner running? most people equate particulates with pollution - because it looks dirty... these same people think nothing of tossing their half-smoked cigarette out the window...

climate-change, cap+trade, etc., etc. are all nothing more than taxes and in reality do very little if anything to actually protect the environment.

there was a special on discovery this morning - speaking of the progression of seeding storm clouds' technology. under the presumable goal of minimizing weather related damage to human property/population centers.

we have such a primitive understanding of weather/climate that we don't even know how naive we are with these attempts. blindly marching forward with ideas such as wave-action sea-water pumps with the intention of cooling off ocean surface waters in order to help minimize hurricane damages - instead of pausing to wonder what other issues may arise by trying to play God - or simply forcing the market to bear the costs associated with building/developing in hazard prone areas. (The outer banks are admitedly beautiful locations when the weather is nice, but why should I have to offset your losses, or accept possible climate/fisheries implications because you build on a fucking island 3 miles from the mainland, 3' above the mean ocean level and be surprised that your junk gets whacked during hurricane season?!)

as for pollution - my wife frequently jokes that she'd enjoy water skiing more, if the lakes were chlorinated or otherwise dead/sterile

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and yes, you sound like a liberal Kelly. When it is ever a good thing to distort science, and public perception to create Government Policy?

Fuck, I can easily cite statistics that show that if we banned all driving of personal/commercial motor vehicles that roughly 35,000 to 45,000 men, women and children would not die every year in motor vehicle crashes... wouldn't that be a good thing?
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