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Old October 5th, 2010, 10:11 AM   #1
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Diesel Jeep Wrangler Unveiled For Europe, Not America

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I absolutely love my Jeep Wrangler, though lately I am getting that sinking feeling that this particular automotive relationship has run its course. I've had my Wrangler longer than I've had any other car, and while it has been mostly trouble free, it also isn't exactly a comfortable ride. The new Wranglers, however, are a lot more high-tech than my archaic '92 YJ and have a ton of create comforts like power windows, air conditioning, so on and so forth.

Now you can add a diesel engine to the features of the new Jeep Wrangler. Jeep will be adding a 2.8 liter turbo diesel engine to its lineup... at least over in Europe. Seriously, Jeep? Where's the love?

I'm on a few Jeep forums, and one topic I see come up time and again is the desire for a diesel engine option on the Wrangler. The reasons are many, though mostly it boils down to more torque and better gas mileage. Some enterprising individuals have done diesel engine swaps. One of my favorite swaps sees a Mercedes W123 diesel engine swapped into a Wrangler, with many users reporting gas mileage of 30 mpg or more. In a Wrangler! There is a veritable gold mine for Chrysler, should they add a diesel engine to the Wrangler... and they finally are. The problem? For now, it looks like it will a European-only powertrain.

This 2.8 liter turbo diesel engine makes my sturdy 4.0 liter I6 look like something from the stone age. Making 200 horsepower and and up to 340 ft-lbs of torque when fitted with a five-speed automatic transmission. The six-speed manual makes due with just 302 ft-lbs of torque. This diesel engine gives the Jeep a 13 percent increase in fuel economy. Going by the Wrangler's current EPA rating of 15 mpg/19 mpg, this would bump fuel economy up to about 17/21. And that is with start/stop technology that keeps the engine from idling while at a stop.

Actually, that fuel economy is not that great. I get better than that in my '92 Wrangler. It's not like Chrysler is going to bring this to the U.S. anyways... or will they?

Maybe I'll hold on to it after all.

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Old October 5th, 2010, 10:21 AM   #2
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I love the 2.8 CRD in my liberty - in a Wranger would rock out!
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ford makes the fiesta in Europe with a Diesel, it gets around 65-70 mpg. They wont bring it to the states, because they say there is no market for it here. I would trade my Jetta in for one!
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ford makes the fiesta in Europe with a Diesel, it gets around 65-70 mpg. They wont bring it to the states, because they say there is no market for it here. I would trade my Jetta in for one!
There's no market because the oil companies don't want there to be a market :)
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There's no market because the oil companies don't want there to be a market :)
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there's no market because of several reasons:
joe average thinks diesels are dirty, polluting smoke belching things that are slow, complicated, tempermental and don't start in the cold
Ford/DCX/GM finds that based on years of marketing research the limited number of die-hards that are willing to pay for a diesel sub-compact do not make a sufficient number to justify the complexity of yet another option in the product life-cycle mix here domestically - and/or certification/importing yet another euro-made vehicle suitable for any profit margin
gas hybrids, and/or electric plug-ins are still the lefty/greenyweenie buzzword
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there's no market because of several reasons:
joe average thinks diesels are dirty, polluting smoke belching things that are slow, complicated, tempermental and don't start in the cold
Ford/DCX/GM finds that based on years of marketing research the limited number of die-hards that are willing to pay for a diesel sub-compact do not make a sufficient number to justify the complexity of yet another option in the product life-cycle mix here domestically - and/or certification/importing yet another euro-made vehicle suitable for any profit margin
gas hybrids, and/or electric plug-ins are still the lefty/greenyweenie buzzword
I think there is a market, it's just that the Big 3 do not want to explore it, just like they failed to see the market for smaller cars in the past and were left with dinosours with couch sofas in the backseat.
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there is a lady in my area that has a diesel jeep, right hand drive, they build them in Pennsylvania and ship them overseas, she ordered one because she delivers mail. but its really nice.
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ford makes the fiesta in Europe with a Diesel, it gets around 65-70 mpg. They wont bring it to the states, because they say there is no market for it here. I would trade my Jetta in for one!
Do people actually believe this?
That's not why the diesel Focus isn't sold here. There are a lot of differences between Europe and the USA, emissions being one of the key players.
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Do people actually believe this?
That's not why the diesel Focus isn't sold here. There are a lot of differences between Europe and the USA, emissions being one of the key players.
yes. legislating ourselves to death so we can be the leader of green hope and sit in our room like an unwanted fat sister on saturday night whilst the rest of the world has fun.
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yes. legislating ourselves to death so we can be the leader of green hope and sit in our room like an unwanted fat sister on saturday night whilst the rest of the world has fun.

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TDI Passat travels 1,527 miles on a single tank of fuel, averaging 74.8 MPG (US Gallons): http://green.autoblog.com/2010/10/04...c3_lnk3|175499

Put that in your hybrid pipe and smoke it.
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There may be a small market for them, but the hoops that have to be jumped through in order to meet emission standards for the US are crazy. We need to have separate emission laws for gas and diesel engines.
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