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Old August 4th, 2010, 08:37 PM   #1
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_671018.html

I guess all that money that the Mormon church spent on promoting it was for naught.
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Good. Gay's don't bother my marriage one bit, so I think they should have the right too.
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This time, It will be switched back agian, then just switched back the other way the other time. It never ends.
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What bothers me is that it seems like the people keep voting against gay marriage, but the legislators and judges keep supporting it. If the people want marriage to be defined as the union of 1 man and 1 woman thats how it should be. And I don't see it as discrimination because it's the same for everyone. Everyone is entitled to go out and find a willing member of the opposite sex and get married. If you have decided that that is not right for you then do something else. But the majority has spoken over and over again, that "something else" is not marriage.
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I couldnt really care less what anyone does in the privacy of thier own home, but there are legal advantages to being married that should not be denied to anyone. The way I see it, marriage is both a legal status and a religious ceremony, so if a church wanted to say no gay marriages, that is entirely up to them. I dont see why the same gay couple couldnt get a basic legal marriage and have the same legal rights as everyone else.
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I couldnt really care less what anyone does in the privacy of thier own home, but there are legal advantages to being married that should not be denied to anyone. The way I see it, marriage is both a legal status and a religious ceremony, so if a church wanted to say no gay marriages, that is entirely up to them. I dont see why the same gay couple couldnt get a basic legal marriage and have the same legal rights as everyone else.
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I don't agree with it but I'm tired of hearing about it. The gays will be together regardless of a document.
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Talking about gays and mormons, why is it that a person can't marry 2 or more person at the same time? If it is ok for a man to marry woman, woman to marry man, man to marry man, and woman to marry woman, why can't a woman marry two other women but just one? It makes no sense to limit "marriage" to one person only, if someone wants to be with two or more people. Why do people that want to marry more than one person get denied the benefits of being married?
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This time, It will be switched back agian, then just switched back the other way the other time. It never ends.
I disagree, the right thing will eventually happen. It happened with emancipating the slaves, womens suffrage, civil rights, etc.
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Talking about gays and mormons, why is it that a person can't marry 2 or more person at the same time? If it is ok for a man to marry woman, woman to marry man, man to marry man, and woman to marry woman, why can't a woman marry two other women but just one? It makes no sense to limit "marriage" to one person only, if someone wants to be with two or more people. Why do people that want to marry more than one person get denied the benefits of being married?
I wish we could make this discussion a lot easier and take the whole "benefit of being married" and toss it. Why do we need to give benefits to people for being married?

Edit: I guess I was thinking monetary benefits, like tax incentives, but I forgot about things like having rights involving your spouse, like wills, medical treatment, etc. That's another reason why it should be legal. It's all well and good to allow them to "do something else" as Brewmenn says, but shouldn't a gay couple who has been together for years be able to have the same rights as everyone else?

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I wish we could make this discussion a lot easier and take the whole "benefit of being married" and toss it. Why do we need to give benefits to people for being married?
OK, let's toss it, it's not relevant to my point (we don't need it, but it's convenient not to have to write wills for your spouse/children if you don't want to). So why can't a woman marry 2 other women, or more if she so choses?
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What bothers me is that it seems like the people keep voting against gay marriage, but the legislators and judges keep supporting it. If the people want marriage to be defined as the union of 1 man and 1 woman thats how it should be. And I don't see it as discrimination because it's the same for everyone. Everyone is entitled to go out and find a willing member of the opposite sex and get married. If you have decided that that is not right for you then do something else. But the majority has spoken over and over again, that "something else" is not marriage.
I agree with you? Ugh.
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Talking about gays and mormons, why is it that a person can't marry 2 or more person at the same time? If it is ok for a man to marry woman, woman to marry man, man to marry man, and woman to marry woman, why can't a woman marry two other women but just one? It makes no sense to limit "marriage" to one person only, if someone wants to be with two or more people. Why do people that want to marry more than one person get denied the benefits of being married?
You do make a good point. Where does it stop? One man 2 women, one man and another man, one woman and one woman, a man and his dog, a man and a child(whether it be boy or girl).
Marrage is between 1 man and 1 woman.
We already offer special rights for being gay(hate crimes bill) and offer legal marrage would be just another privledge for being homosexual.
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OK, let's toss it, it's not relevant to my point (we don't need it, but it's convenient not to have to write wills for your spouse/children if you don't want to). So why can't a woman marry 2 other women, or more if she so choses?
Do you want to know the real reason? The same reason why a woman can't marry a woman in most states. Popular Opinion. It was outlawed because of religious intolerance towards Mormons over a century ago.

It would seem if the conservatives in this country were actually interested in personal freedoms, they wouldn't want to restrict people from doing what they want in situations where it can't possibly harm anyone else.
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You do make a good point. Where does it stop? One man 2 women, one man and another man, one woman and one woman, a man and his dog, a man and a child(whether it be boy or girl).
Marrage is between 1 man and 1 woman.
We already offer special rights for being gay(hate crimes bill) and offer legal marrage would be just another privledge for being homosexual.
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It would seem that the main objection that most have with the idea is the terminology behind it. I would be happy if I had a recognized "civil union" from the government to receive the special rights between my spouse and I. If people wanted to take it one step further for their religion and get "married" at their church they could. I think that would make things much less toxic and objectionable.
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Do you want to know the real reason? The same reason why a woman can't marry a woman in most states. Popular Opinion. It was outlawed because of religious intolerance towards Mormons over a century ago.
Popular opinion, or culture of a given people, explain most of the laws and attitudes toward other people, conduct, and ideas. I'm not asking why it is so, but if there is a reason not to allow people to form unions of more than one person.

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It would seem if the conservatives in this country were actually interested in personal freedoms, they wouldn't want to restrict people from doing what they want in situations where it can't possibly harm anyone else.
Does this mean you would allow people to form unions with more than one person at a time?
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We already offer special rights for being gay(hate crimes bill) and offer legal marrage would be just another privledge for being homosexual.
True. I don't understand why the state has to discriminate against gays in this way, or any other "hate crime" bills.
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