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Old July 14th, 2010, 09:47 AM   #1
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Default Michigan House Bill 6256 immigration law enforcement act

I like it!!!

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2009-2010/billintroduced/House/htm/2010-HIB-6256.htm[/URL]

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A bill to provide for the determination of the immigration

status of persons present in this state under certain

circumstances; to allow for the enforcement of immigration laws in

this state and the detaining and transportation of persons

unlawfully present in the United States; to allow for certain civil

actions; and to provide for certain civil fines and criminal

penalties.

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN ENACT:

Sec. 1. This act shall be known and may be cited as the

"immigration law enforcement act".

Sec. 2. (1) An officer or agency of this state or a political

subdivision of this state shall not limit or restrict the

enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full

extent permitted by federal law.



(2) For any lawful stop, detention, or arrest made by a law

enforcement officer or law enforcement agency of this state or a

law enforcement officer or law enforcement agency of a political

subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other state law

or local ordinance, where reasonable suspicion exists that the

person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the United States,

the law enforcement officer or agency shall make a reasonable

attempt, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of

the person unless the determination may hinder or obstruct an

investigation. Any person who is arrested shall have his or her

immigration status determined before the person is released. The

person's immigration status shall be verified with the federal

government pursuant to 8 USC 1373(c). A law enforcement officer or

law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement officer

or law enforcement agency of a political subdivision of this state

may not solely consider race, color, or national origin in

implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the

extent permitted by the constitution of the United States or the

state constitution of 1963. A person is presumed to not be an alien

who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person

provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the

following:

(a) A valid Michigan operator's or chauffeur's license.

(b) A valid Michigan state personal identification card.

(c) A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal

identification.

(d) Any other valid United States, state, or local government



issued identification if the issuing entity requires proof of legal

presence in the United States before issuance.
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Old July 14th, 2010, 10:17 AM   #2
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Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
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Old July 14th, 2010, 11:15 AM   #3
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Presumed guilty until proven innocent?
Just make sure you have your "papers" with you, especially if you happen to look like you may be from somewhere else.
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Presumed guilty until proven innocent?
Just make sure you have your "papers" with you, especially if you happen to look like you may be from somewhere else.
You must be new to theis whole reading thing.

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where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the United States
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Early polls show 100% of illegal aliens are against this legislation
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Old July 14th, 2010, 11:51 AM   #6
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This bill sucks.
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You must be new to theis whole reading thing.
Which part am I miss reading?
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This bill sucks.
it sucks because it does not go far enough it should require a immigration status check of every person booked into a jail; have bail denied based on immigration status; and have penalty enhancements for violent crime commited by illegal aliens.
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Which part am I miss reading?
You infer that papers will be required to be carried, i.e random checks. The bill specifies LEO contact and reasonable suspicion.
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LEO contact doesn't mean shit. Any LEO could find a reason to "make contact" with any person they choose. I'd like further clarification of what constitutes "reasonable suspicion".
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BTW thats the only part about this that bothers me, the rest I agree with.

Heres a working link for those that are interested:

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/docume...0-HIB-6256.htm
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LOL at brewmann and his hippie like uneducated opinions based on zero facts.
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To save you a ton of research, prior laws already state that you must have ID on you at all times. This new immigration law does not give ANY authority for PO's to pull over somebody if they look like an immigrant, it only pertains to people who are already in police custody, or being questioned.


And I ABSOLUTELY LOVE hearing on the radio that people are moving out of arizona because of this. That is great, the law is working. Now if the other 48 states pass this (Utah is passing it right now) we will be much better off.
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Presumed guilty until proven innocent?
Just make sure you have your "papers" with you, especially if you happen to look like you may be from somewhere else.
I'll take my chances. Maybe they'll think I'm Swedish.
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i'll take my chances. Maybe they'll think i'm swedish.
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To save you a ton of research, prior laws already state that you must have ID on you at all times. This new immigration law does not give ANY authority for PO's to pull over somebody if they look like an immigrant, it only pertains to people who are already in police custody, or being questioned.


And I ABSOLUTELY LOVE hearing on the radio that people are moving out of arizona because of this. That is great, the law is working. Now if the other 48 states pass this (Utah is passing it right now) we will be much better off.
You save me no research without posting links to teh said laws. I know this has been discussed before, but I have seem no law that says that the police can throw you in jail for not having ID.
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I'll take my chances. Maybe they'll think I'm Swedish.
If I was only concerned with myself I would have no worries either. Unfortunately I have this annoying habit of being concerned with the rights of others. I do not want to see “looking like you’re not from around here” being a reason for police harassment.
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You save me no research without posting links to teh said laws. I know this has been discussed before, but I have seem no law that says that the police can throw you in jail for not having ID.
Existing law:
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....13&DocType=ARS




The new law simply states that they can take an ADDITIONAL STEP to verify your immigration status if they cannot produce information who they are that can be verified. As far as I know, in Michigan you do not have to identify yourself to any police officer unless you're under arrest or driving a motor vehicle.

Arizona is one of the few states that have a "stop and identify" law that basically means they can pull you over and find out who you are for any reason. How come nobody was bitching about this law for years?

How it was before the new law:

Arizona cop pulls over mexican. He asks mexican his name. Mexican doesn't answer, he goes to jail and is released.

New Law:

Arizona cop pulls over mexican, he asks mexican for his full name, mexican doesn't answer. He's turned over to INS and is deported if he is found to be illegal.




How the fukc is this bad for the legal people of this country?>
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Existing law:
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....13&DocType=ARS




The new law simply states that they can take an ADDITIONAL STEP to verify your immigration status if they cannot produce information who they are that can be verified.
1st- That's an Arizona law.
2nd- It only requires that you have to state your name, not to produce an ID.
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Existing law:
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....13&DocType=ARS




The new law simply states that they can take an ADDITIONAL STEP to verify your immigration status if they cannot produce information who they are that can be verified. As far as I know, in Michigan you do not have to identify yourself to any police officer unless you're being "suspicious", or they have a right to think you've committed a crime.

Arizona is one of the few states that have a "stop and identify" law that basically means they can pull you over and find out who you are just because they're bored. How come nobody was bitching about this law for years?

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13-2412. Refusing to provide truthful name when lawfully detained; classification

A. It is unlawful for a person, after being advised that the person's refusal to answer is unlawful, to fail or refuse to state the person's true full name on request of a peace officer who has lawfully detained the person based on reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime. A person detained under this section shall state the person's true full name, but shall not be compelled to answer any other inquiry of a peace officer.

B. A person who violates this section is guilty of a class 2 misdemeanor.
FAIL. It only says that you must state your name on upon request. It says nothing about having to have documentation to prove it.
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