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Old June 10th, 2010, 12:40 PM   #1
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Ok so I had a local politician stop by the house the other day. Not really knowing much about politics i asked her in lamens terms and without being biased what is really the difference between and . She stated that are like robin hood, take from the rich and give to the poor where as like to help those in need however do not like to support people that refuse to work. That was the basic difference.

So I ask you all knowing GL people. What would do with the people that refuse to work and try sponging off the system if the had sole control?
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Ok so I had a local politician stop by the house the other day. Not really knowing much about politics i asked her in lamens terms and without being biased what is really the difference between and . She stated that are like robin hood, take from the rich and give to the poor where as like to help those in need however do not like to support people that refuse to work. That was the basic difference.

So I ask you all knowing GL people. What would do with the people that refuse to work and try sponging off the system if the had sole control?
Seems to me that "politician" had a flawed definition.

If I were to define Democrats as those with whom I relate, we believe that America has come too far and worked too hard for us to not provide equal and equitable, basic things like:
education (through college)
healthcare
strong public infrastructure
environmental safety and protection
protection from enemies both domestic and foreign
the right to live in relative freedom but not the right to injure or steal from others
the freedom to have any religion you want (or none at all)
no government endorsed religion
maintaining an adequate military to protect our borders and staying out of other countries unless the effort is lateral with other united nations

I could go on and on, but for some reason Republicans think my beliefs are evil and unacceptable. From what I can see they want:
one government endorsed and enforced religion
the freedom to pollute the waters our children drink
the freedom to steal from the American public by implementing financial policies and activities that are downright criminal
the freedom for corporations to essentially buy and sell every politician from here forward with complete impunity (latest supreme court decision)
the freedom to privatize profits and to socialize losses
illegally wiretap
torture
invade countries that are not a threat
borrow huge sums of money from foreign countries
ship our industry overseas
import goods without equal trade policies, putting our nation at a disadvantage

I could go on and on, and if you like, I will be happy to list specific examples of several of these issues over which we've argued, but I think you all know the truth.

I could go on and on
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Old June 10th, 2010, 01:28 PM   #3
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Seems to me that "politician" had a flawed definition.

If I were to define Democrats as those with whom I relate, we believe that America has come too far and worked too hard for us to not provide equal and equitable, basic things like:
education (through college)
healthcare
strong public infrastructure
environmental safety and protection
protection from enemies both domestic and foreign
the right to live in relative freedom but not the right to injure or steal from others
the freedom to have any religion you want (or none at all)
no government endorsed religion
maintaining an adequate military to protect our borders and staying out of other countries unless the effort is lateral with other united nations

I could go on and on, but for some reason Republicans think my beliefs are evil and unacceptable. From what I can see they want:
one government endorsed and enforced religion
the freedom to pollute the waters our children drink
the freedom to steal from the American public by implementing financial policies and activities that are downright criminal
the freedom for corporations to essentially buy and sell every politician from here forward with complete impunity (latest supreme court decision)
the freedom to privatize profits and to socialize losses
illegally wiretap
torture
invade countries that are not a threat
borrow huge sums of money from foreign countries
ship our industry overseas
import goods without equal trade policies, putting our nation at a disadvantage

I could go on and on, and if you like, I will be happy to list specific examples of several of these issues over which we've argued, but I think you all know the truth.

I could go on and on
How high of a tax rate are you willing to pay to pay for all of that?
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How high of a tax rate are you willing to pay to pay for all of that?
I'm willing to keep paying the 30% I'm paying now, but have it spent differently. That, and to roll back the Bush and Reagan tax cuts for the top 2% so they pay more than the 15% they pay now. That's how much. And it would cover it.

Actually, what Bush borrowed to pay for Iraq would have covered most of it for the same amount of time. The research has been done. The facts are out there. $2 TRILLION he indebted us to to go to Iraq, when we could have used that money here. It did nothing to catch Bin Laden. It did nothing to avenge 9/11. It did nothing to slow terrorism. The Islamic Jihad is now stronger than ever thanks to our invasion.

You guys crack me up. We can model our public assistance programs, for example, after several other countries, that REQUIRE you to do public service work in order to get your assistance check. You can't just sit home and collect. You work, or you go to school. And they don't require on a BOOMING, private, FOR PROFIT, prison industry to take in billions of dollars using free labor to the same work.

There are tons more answers. I can go on and on. But you guys are so fixated and frightened out of your wits by the the right-wing pundits that you aren't even willing to listen. You insult and name-call.
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I'm willing to keep paying the 30% I'm paying now, but have it spent differently. That, and to roll back the Bush and Reagan tax cuts for the top 2% so they pay more than the 15% they pay now. That's how much. And it would cover it.

Actually, what Bush borrowed to pay for Iraq would have covered most of it for the same amount of time. The research has been done. The facts are out there. $2 TRILLION he indebted us to to go to Iraq, when we could have used that money here. It did nothing to catch Bin Laden. It did nothing to avenge 9/11. It did nothing to slow terrorism. The Islamic Jihad is now stronger than ever thanks to our invasion.

You guys crack me up. We can model our public assistance programs, for example, after several other countries, that REQUIRE you to do public service work in order to get your assistance check. You can't just sit home and collect. You work, or you go to school. And they don't require on a BOOMING, private, FOR PROFIT, prison industry to take in billions of dollars using free labor to the same work.

There are tons more answers. I can go on and on. But you guys are so fixated and frightened out of your wits by the the right-wing pundits that you aren't even willing to listen. You insult and name-call.
I just asked a question. You seem to be doing the insulting and name calling.
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This is why I usually stay away from political discussion because this is were it always goes.
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I just asked a question. You seem to be doing the insulting and name calling.
Hmmm.... I'm rereading it and don't see a single name or insult. Please isolate it and quote it for me so I know what you're talking about.
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So I ask you all knowing GL people. What would do with the people that refuse to work and try sponging off the system if the had sole control?
Aren't those the same people?


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This is why I usually stay away from political discussion because this is were it always goes.
But if everyone felt that way we would never get anywhere. In fact, our government wouldn't be here, because our founding fathers first met in the taverns to discuss the government of the colonies and, eventually, arguments and debates ensued, and eventually a rebellion, independence, and our proud nation. We were founded on discourse and dissent.
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Hmmm.... I'm rereading it and don't see a single name or insult. Please isolate it and quote it for me so I know what you're talking about.

Maybe not "name calling" in the strict sense, but I definitely felt that you were every quick to label me for just asking a question, and I definitely felt insulted by it.
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Maybe not "name calling" in the strict sense, but I definitely felt that you were every quick to label me for just asking a question, and I definitely felt insulted by it.
Ban him.....he hurt Bruces feelings.
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In answer to the original question, as an extreme moderate, I am fine with leaving those who are able to work but refuse to with nothing. If they get hungry enough they will work, or starve. The choice is theirs.
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How high of a tax rate are you willing to pay to pay for all of that?
What I see, and it is along the lines of cost to the American people, is:

Democrats: Tax and Spend

Republicans: Spend and put it on the Credit Card
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A buzz... you went off course from the start.. I didnt ask for what you think the difference is or your definition of the parties. I asked what views are on how to handle those that refuse to work and feed off the government.

Besides after reading your Christinaity thread I can see your disposition as a person who tries to convey his views by force without any regard for any one else's views or beliefs.

Since it is apparent you arent a republican gtfo of the thread lol
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I can see your disposition as a person who tries to convey his views by force without any regard for any one else's views or beliefs.
So asking people to provide facts to support their strong assertions of their opinions is conveying by force? So I guess that's what I'm doing now then?
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EXCELLENT POINT! And since the neocons on this site insist that they are fiscal conservatives, they should object to the current Republican methodology.
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What I see, and it is along the lines of cost to the American people, is:

Democrats: Tax and Spend

Republicans: Spend and put it on the Credit Card
I would agree with that. And the common theme, and problem, is obviously the "spend" part.
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I would agree with that. And the common theme, and problem, is obviously the "spend" part.
Agreed.

Interesting that none of the Republicans are shouting out their solutions so far.....

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as an extreme moderate
Heh heh... I like that.
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So asking people to provide facts to support their strong assertions of their opinions is conveying by force? So I guess that's what I'm doing now then?
A person does not need to provide facts to support their opinion unless they are trying to prove someone wrong. You asked for facts when you can find them on your own, your just to lazy to research it yourself and come to your own conclusion.

The constitution is much like the Bible in that it is different based on the way it is interpreted. The bible uses the respective churches for their interpreters and the constitution relies on the judicial system as it's interpreter. Each can have an individual interpretation as well but good luck trying to convince the masses your interpretation is right.
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