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Old March 29th, 2010, 10:54 AM   #21
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Snap On's large equipment is just re branded from various other manufactures. Figure out what it is, then buy the original brand for less money.

I really like our Matco ratchets.
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Old March 29th, 2010, 05:10 PM   #22
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You sound like you've inherited quite a few of Grandpa / Dad's tools. Any Williams stuff in there?
Yeah I basically inherited my dad's Kennedy rollaway and added to it with my Craftsman/ S-K setup. I don't know if I have any Williams stuff in there, I might someplace as my dad had mixed and matched his box as well.
I'm not a mechanic or tradesman, just a wrencher so I usually go for the ease of replacement stuff. I hate the new Craftsman ratchets and break them often (usually one speck of dirt is all it takes to grind out the gears) but since they replace them so easily I have no problem.
My S-K ratchets are real nice, but I'd like to add Mac to my setup. When I worked at the restoration shop I was at I got the privilege of using Mac ratchets once in a while, I swear every time I pulled one out it was like it was blessed by the tool gods, each turn of that 368.7 tooth ratchet was smooth like jazz.
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Old March 29th, 2010, 05:22 PM   #23
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Tool preference really depends on the first rep you meet. The first snap on guy i met was a fucking deuche and it put a bad taste in my mouth. The first matco guy was awesome so i bought a lot of matco stuff. I now have a better snappy guy but its still really over priced. If your gonna buy a box DONT BUY SNAP ON!!! period. Compare the box to matco or mac and you'll be surprised. Matco tool boxes are 10X better than snappy. IF you want reasons just ask me and i'll spell them all out for you.
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Old April 19th, 2010, 12:33 AM   #24
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You sound like you've inherited quite a few of Grandpa / Dad's tools. Any Williams stuff in there?
I'm assuming Williams stuff is still good? I've been looking for a set of wrenches to go with my S-K sets, I don't have any metric stuff. I headed down to the local tool place and they were way too expensive. I haven't found any Kennedy tool boxes locally either, I need to add to my dad's rollaway as it is completely overstuffed. I found a 7 drawer box for $150 locally and I'm thinking of picking it up. I also scored a new 7 pc. set of Williams metric Supercombos for 20 bucks.
I'm just kinda wondering if Williams stuff is still good, I know it is expensive but I just am worried that scoring a set of Williams wrenches for 20 bucks might be too good to be true.
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Old April 19th, 2010, 12:37 AM   #25
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90% of the time i would take blue point over craftsmen, they have gone to far downhill.
I don't see how. I was told by a snap on dealer that Snap on, Matco, Mac and Craftsmen rachets are all made by the same company now just different handles. Insides all the same. Never had any of my craftsman tools fail on me unless miss used(i.e. screwdriver as pry bar)
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I don't see how. I was told by a snap on dealer that Snap on, Matco, Mac and Craftsmen rachets are all made by the same company now just different handles. Insides all the same. Never had any of my craftsman tools fail on me unless miss used(i.e. screwdriver as pry bar)
Craftsman ratchets speak for themselves. Heck, I'm sure anything ratcheting made my Craftsman has gone downhill. I bought a 263 piece Craftsman tool set a while back and it came with a broken 1/4" drive ratchet, and I've broken ratchets from them like it's nothing ever since. Go to Sears or whatever and pick up a new Craftsman 1/2" drive ratchet, feel the roughness of the metal and then feel the harshness of the clicks.
Good thing they have a good warranty.
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Craftsman ratchets speak for themselves. Heck, I'm sure anything ratcheting made my Craftsman has gone downhill. I bought a 263 piece Craftsman tool set a while back and it came with a broken 1/4" drive ratchet, and I've broken ratchets from them like it's nothing ever since. Go to Sears or whatever and pick up a new Craftsman 1/2" drive ratchet, feel the roughness of the metal and then feel the harshness of the clicks.
Good thing they have a good warranty.
Got the 348 set last year. Never had a problem. Keep'em greased and clean and shouldn't have any problem, soon as I get a new ratchet I take the cover off and "fill" it with sil-glide
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I'm just kinda wondering if Williams stuff is still good, I know it is expensive but I just am worried that scoring a set of Williams wrenches for 20 bucks might be too good to be true.
I had no idea they were still in business. All the Williams / Proto stuff I've used / inherited I'm pretty sure followed my grandfather home from a former supplier that is now under Delphi. I couldn't tell ya any better or worse.

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I don't see how. I was told by a snap on dealer that Snap on, Matco, Mac and Craftsmen rachets are all made by the same company now just different handles. Insides all the same. Never had any of my craftsman tools fail on me unless miss used(i.e. screwdriver as pry bar)
I know Snap On makes their own ratchets. Saw it on the History Channel ...or was it Discovery?
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I know Snap On makes their own ratchets. Saw it on the History Channel ...or was it Discovery?
I thought he said snap on I could be wrong tho. I know he said mac and matco tho
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Got the 348 set last year. Never had a problem. Keep'em greased and clean and shouldn't have any problem, soon as I get a new ratchet I take the cover off and "fill" it with sil-glide
I love their warranty, their wrenches and sockets are good but the ratchets kinda suck. I've had old Craftsman ratchets that worked real good. These ones I end up grinding the gears out after a small amount of dust. I asked some of the guys at Sears what type of oil I should use to help prevent that and they said 3 in 1 oil I think.
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I had no idea they were still in business. All the Williams / Proto stuff I've used / inherited I'm pretty sure followed my grandfather home from a former supplier that is now under Delphi. I couldn't tell ya any better or worse.
Yeah I didn't know it either. I wanted to buy some old Bonney wrenches but those wrenches are through the roof. I like using Proto stuff as well.
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I just got these Williams Supercombo wrenches in the mail, holy crap they are beefy. Long as heck too. Now I just need to buy a few more to make a complete set.
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Old April 23rd, 2010, 08:43 PM   #33
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Snap on is WAAAAY to over priced. I really don't see how people keep buying this stuff. Well, the ONLY reason why is because you can pay weekly. Makes it easier on people. Thats just insane when you look at a decent size snap on box filled with snap on tools you are looking at probably 60,000 or more. Rediculous! Yeah it's nice stuff but I'm totally turned off by the prices, even on used stuff!! I asked how much for a used 1/4" drive ratchet the other day, $60! USED. Not gonna do it anymore.
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Old April 23rd, 2010, 09:04 PM   #34
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Snap on is WAAAAY to over priced. I really don't see how people keep buying this stuff. Well, the ONLY reason why is because you can pay weekly. Makes it easier on people. Thats just insane when you look at a decent size snap on box filled with snap on tools you are looking at probably 60,000 or more. Rediculous! Yeah it's nice stuff but I'm totally turned off by the prices, even on used stuff!! I asked how much for a used 1/4" drive ratchet the other day, $60! USED. Not gonna do it anymore.
trust me, its more


like most things, you get what you pay for...for the average joe wrenching on his own stuff at home, sure, Crafstamn or wahtever will be fine, and cost alot less...for a pro auto tech, using these hand tools everyday, alot of the Craftsman and cheaper stuff will still work, but that doesnt mean its teh best tool for the job, just because its cheaper. What tech working flat rate wants to take a ratchet or something in to get it replaced/repaired once a week or more?
For those of us that work on bigger stuff, cheaper tools just dont cut it...sure, I got some cheaper sockets, and I break them on a regular basis. Yes, Snap On is pricey, but its well worth the cost to not have fragments of sockets flying at my face, or broken fingers/ripped open knuckles from ratchets that cant take the torque, or shoulder or elbow injuries from sockets or wrenches that slip off or round out the bolt heads...tools breaking causes injury, and my job is hazardous enough as it is
I have one Snap On ratchet that has had the handle bent from wrapping a strap around the handle and using a 10 ton overhead hoist to pull it...the ratchet head is fine, and has never even needed repaired, but the handle has been replaced 3 times so far, twice for being bent (obvious abuse, my Snap On dealer laughs and hands me another one) and once when it snapped in two (1 inch diameter solid)...try that with a cheaper brand, I'll make sure to leave the area first, and then you can go buy another one since they wont warrenty it (btw, that ratchet costs a bit over $300)

depending on what the tools are used for, a high quality tool that cost much more is still a better value in the long run

and no, Craftsman does not even come close to comparing to Snap On when it comes to quality

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Old April 23rd, 2010, 09:15 PM   #35
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There is a difference. Especially air tools. My blue point impact became junk after a year. Traded it in and got the MG725. Much more badass gun.
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