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Old April 6th, 2010, 01:13 PM   #1
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Department of Transportation's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is seeking the maximum fine of $16.4 million against Toyota Motor Corp. for failing to notify the agency of a "sticky pedal" defect in its cars for at least four months.

Under federal regulations, automakers are required to inform the agency within five days of determining that a safety defect exists in one of its products.
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Old April 6th, 2010, 02:24 PM   #2
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so the government who owns domestic car companies is putting the hammer down on toyota because old people with diabetes can't feel what pedal is the proper one and you don't think that is enough of a fine?
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Old April 6th, 2010, 02:32 PM   #3
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Its a pretty strict fine. If I recall, the highest prior to this was the $1M they fined GM a few years back.
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Well, considering the FMCSA (or similar agency) is doing the diagnostics, I thought it would be more...
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I think we should sue them for 16.4 trillion dollars. That should stimulate our economy a bit.
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Old April 6th, 2010, 06:40 PM   #6
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$16M - We were discussing how to pay that fine. Somebody said they should lay everybody off for a week. Then we'd all collect unemployment.

Charge it back to Obama....
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so the government who owns domestic car companies is putting the hammer down on toyota because old people with diabetes can't feel what pedal is the proper one and you don't think that is enough of a fine?
So, you don't believe it is possible for Toyota to have a software glitch causing runaway acceleration, even though other automakers have had the same issue in the past?

And, no- I don't want to argue about how they should know to put it in neutral and turn off the key. That should be obvious to anyone.

The only problem I have with Toyota is the same I have with any other manufacturer that practices 'acceptable risk' with safety. They should all get fined heavily when caught.
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Old April 7th, 2010, 08:23 AM   #8
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Department of Transportation's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is seeking the maximum fine of $16.4 million against Toyota Motor Corp. for failing to notify the agency of a "sticky pedal" defect in its cars for at least four months.

Under federal regulations, automakers are required to inform the agency within five days of determining that a safety defect exists in one of its products.
Two possible outcomes from this:

1. Toyota pays the fine and it is taken as an admission of guilt. This causes thousands of new civil suits and guaranteed payout on current litigation.

2. They fight the fine / findings, then the government does an even deeper dive and/or shows much more evidence for even more bad things. That can't be too savory either.

Couldn't happen to a nicer company.
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$16M - We were discussing how to pay that fine. Somebody said they should lay everybody off for a week. Then we'd all collect unemployment.

Charge it back to Obama....


I did LOL.
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And, no- I don't want to argue about how they should know to put it in neutral and turn off the key. That should be obvious to anyone.
Shouldn't you shift into neutral and leave the car on, so you have power brakes?
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Since the Fed has financial stake in 2 American car companies, both of which compete with Toyota, shouldn't they be staying out of the Toyota situation due to conflict of interest?
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Since the Fed has financial stake in 2 American car companies, both of which compete with Toyota, shouldn't they be staying out of the Toyota situation due to conflict of interest?
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They should let Toyota do whatever the fukc they want with zero consequences for viloating policy and failing to react to safety issues

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Since the Fed has financial stake in 2 American car companies, both of which compete with Toyota, shouldn't they be staying out of the Toyota situation due to conflict of interest?
pls add Ford to the list. I'm sick of designing around all these stupid FMVSS safety rules. This would make life a lot easier.
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Shouldn't you shift into neutral and leave the car on, so you have power brakes?
According to some sources, shifting into neutral won't work if the engine is above a certain RPM, the ECM won't allow it. Shutting off the engine shuts down the entire system. You will still have steering and brakes, but at a higher effort.
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They should let Toyota do whatever the fukc they want with zero consequences for viloating policy and failing to react to safety issues

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No... how about having an outside entity with no ties to the Fed at all handle the situation? Let them make the judgment and have the Fed be the enforcer of the ruling.
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