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Old March 16th, 2010, 03:46 PM   #61
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It is highly amazing to me that:
a. I never used any gutter style language in my posts---yet those that do cannot express their opinion without it.
b. No one here can give any credence to the points that what have any OLDER RICH People in elevated positions gained by staying around "too long" that has benefitted the masses?
c. This opinion is no different than bellybuttons......Everyone has one,their own is OK, but others are not.

Do you think that Kennedy, Dingell, or the Levin's really get anything done in Washington? Maybe some youthful exuberance like yours would and could move things along at a faster pace.

Just my 2 cents......
you cannot seem to distinguish between elected governors and successful free market business owners. you are interchanging them which is a failed comparison.
dingell and levin get voted in on name recognition alone. the people elected him. if they don't like it then they need to get off their collective asses and vote them out.

complacency breeds corruption.

if my vulgar language offends you, too fucking bad. intelligence is not being able to throw a bunch of fancy words out there to belittle others, but being able to talk with many people on a common level.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 03:53 PM   #62
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you win a ride in the douche canoe.

"youth is so wasted on the young"
ignoring the wisdom of the elderly is what has fucked up our nation.
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ok politics and business aside answer me this: Would you rather have a 67 year old surgeon perform your surgery or a 40 year old that has kept up with the latest methods?
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would you rather learn from a 70 year old teacher who hasn't been in college for 50 years or a 35 year old that is concerned with continuing their education and training to do their job as effective as possible?
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Old March 16th, 2010, 03:59 PM   #63
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"A thing is not vulgar merely because it is common"
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Old March 16th, 2010, 04:03 PM   #64
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you win a ride in the douche canoe.

"youth is so wasted on the young"
ignoring the wisdom of the elderly is what has fucked up our nation.
:p oke:

ok politics and business aside answer me this: Would you rather have a 67 year old surgeon perform your surgery or a 40 year old that has kept up with the latest methods?
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would you rather learn from a 70 year old teacher who hasn't been in college for 50 years or a 35 year old that is concerned with continuing their education and training to do their job as effective as possible?
again you obviously know nothing about the real world.

to answer your questions both teachers and surgeons are "professional" careers in that you must attend x amount of followup studies per year or every x period of years. This is the same as architects, engineers and other professions. so the fact that you feel a 70 year old surgeon is only up to date on 1953 technology is complete idiocy.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 04:06 PM   #65
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you win a ride in the douche canoe.

"youth is so wasted on the young"
ignoring the wisdom of the elderly is what has fucked up our nation.
:p oke:

ok politics and business aside answer me this: Would you rather have a 67 year old surgeon perform your surgery or a 40 year old that has kept up with the latest methods?
or
would you rather learn from a 70 year old teacher who hasn't been in college for 50 years or a 35 year old that is concerned with continuing their education and training to do their job as effective as possible?
Either way you won't win this fight. This thread will go on and on.
People will argue that they'd rather learn from someone old due to their experience level. It has nothing to do with the new technology or advances of what they want to learn. They'll figure it out on their own.
I don't like competing for a job with elderly people as much as the next person, but you just have to deal with it. I personally have no idea what I'm going to do with my career but oh well, I'll figure it out.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 06:33 PM   #66
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people are greedy bastards. this is true about almost every major corporation i can think of. the higher up the chain you are, the more money you pocket, and the more money you want for yourself. just remember americans are all about MORE. give me more money, buy more stuff, use more gas, and certainly eat more food. shit like that. we as a country in general are the most greedy people, and the biggest wasters of damn near any country on the planet.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 08:09 PM   #67
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you win a ride in the douche canoe.

"youth is so wasted on the young"
ignoring the wisdom of the elderly is what has fucked up our nation.

I will and have continued to hire people older than me (37) for the simple reason that they have ethics, a desire to produce, prompt, don't give bullshit excuses, have respect and know what it means to work for a paycheck.

no longer will I hire young fucking kids except to clean the bathroom. they are so filled with and expect to show up on friday to get a check after calling in sick all week. I have tried many a time to hire new grads, younger kids, etc. to give them a chance. you know what, they always fukc it up.
if you are losing your job opportunities to older folks, go blame your parents and yourself, not them.

sorry but the young kids of today simply don't want to hear the truth about what a bunch of fucked up lazy wasted sperm they and their parents are.
Hey now, I'm 17 (started working at 13) and working 40-50 hours a week as a housekeeper (which is HARD work, whether people believe it or not) in the summer and on the weekends during school. I have also won employee of the month, just FYI. Not to mention I do seasonal maintenance for people to pick up some extra cash.


I'm not saying I'm the hardest working person ever, and there are pople who have harder jobs than me that put in longer hours....such as my dad who was doing 60-85 hour weeks for 3 months last year. He's a hotel and reastaurant manager and a damn good, hard working one at that. My mom is also extremely hard working pickin up extra shifts every chance she gets. Saying my parents' genration is a bunch of lazy shits is a little over the edge. HOWEVER, I will agree that 95% of MY genration is a bunch of lazy shits who think they should be entitled to everything.

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Old March 16th, 2010, 08:14 PM   #68
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To the few dumbasses that are bashing CEO's, who the hell do you think pays them, gives them the jobs, lets them stay until they are "old"?
It happens to be the people that control the company, the board of directors. If they feel the person is to old believe me they will be fired in a second.

Also to bitch about the guy that started his own business and stays until he is 90, too fucking bad.

As for insurance, if you think what the government is trying to do now is good for the country, you're a moron and have no understanding of economics.

Fucking crybabies.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 08:28 PM   #69
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I think CEO positions should be like an election. You have company elections on who should be president of the company, that way it is more of a democracy and then people will get their chance to run the company. If it happens that way, then the old person would have to be liked by the rest of the company (younger people) and then that most likely means they are the most knowledgeable about what the people and customers want.
That also gets rid of the boss being a dick about everything because the employees of the company get to choose so they have to be fair with the work they hand out. Also there could be a board with the candidates etc. Just like the government but in a company.
This idea coming from me is kinda odd seeing im a conservative. But i think that it could work more efficiently this way. And i think it would make work a little more interesting...


you couldn't be anymore wrong.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 08:37 PM   #70
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Old March 16th, 2010, 08:47 PM   #71
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Hey now, I'm 17 (started working at 13) and working 40-50 hours a week as a housekeeper (which is HARD work, whether people believe it or not) in the summer and on the weekends during school. I have also won employee of the month, just FYI. Not to mention I do seasonal maintenance for people to pick up some extra cash.


I'm not saying I'm the hardest working person ever, and there are pople who have harder jobs than me that put in longer hours....such as my dad who was doing 60-85 hour weeks for 3 months last year. He's a hotel and reastaurant manager and a damn good, hard working one at that. My mom is also extremely hard working pickin up extra shifts every chance she gets. Saying my parents' genration is a bunch of lazy shits is a little over the edge. HOWEVER, I will agree that 95% of MY genration is a bunch of lazy shits who think they should be entitled to everything.
Proof there is still hope for this country.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 09:01 PM   #72
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If everyone always says that 95% of the others are "lazy", "worthless", "fill in blank", then every person must think that they are better than 95% of everyone. I don't see your point. Everybody thinks that they do more, or are better than everyone esle. Is this the new definition of the American Dream for the New Millenium? I think that this point is like the weather. It has always been here, and it always changes yet stays the same, throughout all time. Do you think the Greeks and Romans believed this too?
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You can "think" you are better than anyone you want, but you don't get payed that way unless you are.

Is busting your ass to get farther in life no longer the American way? I guess advancement is now a government right.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 09:12 PM   #74
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If you're worried about todays old generation screwing things up, just wait until the younger generation ages and takes things over. I don't think there's ever in history been a bigger pile of whiny entitlement-wanting narcissistic attention whores. We can only hope that age truly does bring wisdom or we're pretty much fukced.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 09:29 PM   #75
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Why do CEO's of large companies make lots of money? Pay is usually a direct relationship to responsibility and contribution. The more responsibility you have and the more you can make (or lose) for the company, the more your compensation.

For the comment earlier on about young grads being useless, I just fired a fresh grad engineer. He was full of arrogance and entitlement. We had a huge customer issue and he was the only one who copped an attitude because he had to work some extra hours. He was careless and made stupid mistakes. Never apologized or admitted he was wrong. I replaced him with a 47 year old guy who was laid off and is grateful to have a job.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 09:33 PM   #76
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47?? Isn't that guy about dead yet?

Way to hire almost dead people Jim.
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I'll be working forever. I never worked anywhere where they handed me a pension.
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Then why the hell are you whining about no jobs?

And Politicians don't really count in the working world, they do nothing.
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Wouldn't Washington finally passing the new Healthcare Reform straighten out the upside down insurance costs for the retirees? thus allieving the INSURANCE costs making it more cost efficient to not "Work well past retirement age"?. Man, I did not plan on becoming disabled at my age but I am glad that I contributed to retirement plans (2) while I made hay while the sun shined.

This wasn't a simple bash the "old" thread. Well maybe it was in the point that they didn't Plan for their retirement as well as they could have. Is that your fault? my fault? Let's just be honest and place the blame where it belongs.
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Not just business there... what about Politicians? or answer this: Do you want 65 year old fireman or police officers? How about E.M.T.'s? I am not saying they are worthless or not intelligent from their life experiences....I am asking why not let the next generations move in to do the same. Younger people are not all the A holes that other posters seem to think they are. There are enormous amounts of people that are worthwhile and more vital.



Hey this was just a simple rant and a few simple bullet points. I kind of like that this thread must have ignited some reaction. Call it my first real pub experience. Hey you never know we could actually continue this over a beer someday.
Hell yeah I'd want the "old" guy that knows what he's doing rather than some cocksure youngster who is wet behind the ears. So you want to just give the next generation the jobs? What about making them earn the jobs? If the next gen is so good they will outshine the old guys and take the positions away based on merit not on entitlement.

What about the fact people are living longer? Should that just be ignored and the retirement age stay the same no matter how long people live?

If you have worked hard and earned your early retirement by providing a valuable service or product at a fair price, then good for you. If however you made your money by "investing" on the stock market or other such legalized gambling, then keep in mind that for you to profit someone else had to loose. All the old guys you are bitching about just might be the loosers that funded your early retirement and must keep working to fund theirs too.

But wait, what did you say? You did not plan on becoming disabled? Are you living on the taxpayers or the insurance company's dime and bitching about other people working into their "golden" years???
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Brods: I have only met you once in your driveway (while visiting your household with your mongoloid neighbor) but I think you are very smart, as opposed to my opinions of your mongoloid neighbor.
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Because they were elected there or just got lucky.
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