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Old March 16th, 2010, 09:02 AM   #21
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I'll be working forever. I never worked anywhere where they handed me a pension.

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Old March 16th, 2010, 09:10 AM   #22
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Personally I have thought for years that in hard times more older people should retire to let the young ones have some of the good jobs. Than at 53 I was without a job and I now know part of the reason people keep working. INSURANCE I do not care how well you prepare for retirement it is really difficult to afford $1500-$2000 a month for health insurance for a husband and wife. Even when you turn 65 and get on medicare there are still INSURANCE costs that everyone needs to pay. I still am semi-retired and plan on staying that way as long as I can afford to pay INSURANCE. As for the pension thing that is pretty much a thing of the past. If you had one you may get it or may not. I started paying into SS in 1966 and we all know where that is heading. So really can not count to much on that plan.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 09:46 AM   #23
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Wouldn't Washington finally passing the new Healthcare Reform straighten out the upside down insurance costs for the retirees? thus allieving the INSURANCE costs making it more cost efficient to not "Work well past retirement age"?. Man, I did not plan on becoming disabled at my age but I am glad that I contributed to retirement plans (2) while I made hay while the sun shined.

This wasn't a simple bash the "old" thread. Well maybe it was in the point that they didn't Plan for their retirement as well as they could have. Is that your fault? my fault? Let's just be honest and place the blame where it belongs.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 10:16 AM   #24
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Wouldn't Washington finally passing the new Healthcare Reform straighten out the upside down insurance costs for the retirees? thus allieving the INSURANCE costs making it more cost efficient to not "Work well past retirement age

Not according to most everyone on this site. I was planning for years to be able to retire at 55 so when I lost my job at 53 I figured I was probably close enough. It is still a major hit every month though to pay close to $400 a month for insurance that does not cover anything but major medical. And I am really concerned about haveing to actually use it to see what is covered. I would probably not change anything though as it has been a fun few years for me as a young retirere.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 11:05 AM   #25
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Perhaps many old people have bills to pay and since they probably don't have any retirement benefits anymore they need to go back to work?
I completely don't understand why they are CEOs and crap though, maybe it's a pride thing. "They can have my job when they pry it from my cold dead hands." Or something like that.
I worked at a machine shop where the owner was I believe 85 or so years old and he still worked there full time. The guy obviously had a short temper with me, I don't think he grasped the understanding that I'd never worked at a machine shop before.
I asked one of my coworkers why he still works there, they said he retired a while back but got bored of it and came back to work. WTF.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 11:55 AM   #26
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I can see the boredom. But you need to find something else to keep you busy. I also understand the need to pay bills and such, but if you preplan for retiring it shouldn't be all that difficult. My rant wasn't about the ones that don't have the means due to circumstances beyond their control, rather those selfish sumbitches that keep on going for" pride and more than you money wise".

IF YOU HAVEN'T MADE YOUR MARK FINANCIALLY OR EGOSTISTICALLY BY THE TIME YOUR 60--YOU PROBABLY NEVER WILL! GIVE IT UP AND MOVE ON SO SOMEONE WHO IS YOUNGER CAN GIVE IT A TRY! POLITICIANS THAT ARE ELECTED OVER AND OVER AND THAT PRODUCE NOTHING FOR THE BETTER OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS SHOULD LEAVE OFFICE. CEO'S AND BUSINESSMEN THAT NEED MORE MILLIONS FOR SOME KIND OF DICK MEASURING CONTEST AMONGST THEIR SO CALLED FRIENDS OR PEERS ARE JUST SICK IN THE HEAD.

The goal of American's was to work at a career successfully. Two years before they retired they trained their replacement. And when the time came they had a huge party and got a gold watch and eased into retirement......when was the last time your employer actually gave you a gift or bonus for that matter? I'll bet he got one--along with all of the perks that he will die to keep you from getting.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 12:03 PM   #27
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Screw you guys who think everyone should plan their life "your" way. I got married young, had kids young and wasn't able to save money early in life to plan towards a retirement. There are others who chose to start a carreer and hold of on a family. I say to each his own. But don't criticize someone for what is not your way of thinking.

My wife and I have also chosen to spend some of our discretionary cash on living for the now instead of living for what we may never live to see. Sure, we've saved money, have investments, but I highly doubt it will ever be what I would like it to be. I don't have any intention of sitting on my ass watching the grass grow because I can't afford to do what I want. So, we have made a concious decision to recognize that retirement is a long ways away.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 12:10 PM   #28
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i read something on this subject once that i thought was interesting, this article comes close...


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In the past, transition of power in any industry has happened naturally: as one generation of youngsters enter the work force, another generation over 65 has gracefully exited into the sunset of Florida.

The transition of power and opportunities has not only been important, but poignantly necessary for industries to shake things up, for equality to progress forward, for conventional methodologies to revolutionize, and perhaps most importantly, for young people to have opportunities to do something amazing.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 12:11 PM   #29
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Fair enough. Sounds like a good plan.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 12:18 PM   #30
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Fuck everyone, it is the only way... the American way.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 12:23 PM   #31
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I guess if you think it's OK to get screwed by Old Men--well to each his own.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 12:26 PM   #32
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I'd like to know who made you God and gave you the authority to determine when anyone's useful life is over. Each person is different. There are slugs who are a drain on society at 20. There are acheivers who are beneficial to society at 70. Who the fukc are you to say which is which?
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Old March 16th, 2010, 12:32 PM   #33
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There are lots of people in their 60’s and 70’s where I work… Most if not all have a PhD and the oldest is 89 and still working. There are all still good contributors… I say good for them, if they want to work it’s their choice regardless of their age… It’s still supposed to be a free country so to each his own… Also some people work to live and other live to work… I for one work to live…
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Old March 16th, 2010, 12:40 PM   #34
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I think CEO positions should be like an election. You have company elections on who should be president of the company, that way it is more of a democracy and then people will get their chance to run the company. If it happens that way, then the old person would have to be liked by the rest of the company (younger people) and then that most likely means they are the most knowledgeable about what the people and customers want.
That also gets rid of the boss being a dick about everything because the employees of the company get to choose so they have to be fair with the work they hand out. Also there could be a board with the candidates etc. Just like the government but in a company.
This idea coming from me is kinda odd seeing im a conservative. But i think that it could work more efficiently this way. And i think it would make work a little more interesting...
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Old March 16th, 2010, 12:43 PM   #35
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I think CEO positions should be like an election. You have company elections on who should be president of the company, that way it is more of a democracy and then people will get their chance to run the company. If it happens that way, then the old person would have to be liked by the rest of the company (younger people) and then that most likely means they are the most knowledgeable about what the people and customers want.
That also gets rid of the boss being a dick about everything because the employees of the company get to choose so they have to be fair with the work they hand out. Also there could be a board with the candidates etc. Just like the government but in a company.
This idea coming from me is kinda odd seeing im a conservative. But i think that it could work more efficiently this way. And i think it would make work a little more interesting...
This is THE MOST RETARDED thing I have EVER read on this site.

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Old March 16th, 2010, 12:54 PM   #36
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This is THE MOST RETARDED think I have EVER read on this site.
Thanks?
Why is it so retarded smart guy?
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Old March 16th, 2010, 01:04 PM   #37
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Why is it so retarded smart guy?
Because the corporate world is not a democracy. In a democracy (in theory) our elected officials are there to govern our country the way we want.

In a corporation, they are there to make money. Plain and simple. They are there to make a profit for the owners and/or stock holders. They are not there to win a popularity contest or to make your life cuddly and comfey. If they are able to make an environment that's good for you, great. If not, it's up to you to conform or leave. It's a free world.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 01:12 PM   #38
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Because the corporate world is not a democracy. In a democracy (in theory) our elected officials are there to govern our country the way we want.

In a corporation, they are there to make money. Plain and simple. They are there to make a profit for the owners and/or stock holders. They are not there to win a popularity contest or to make your life cuddly and comfey. If they are able to make an environment that's good for you, great. If not, it's up to you to conform or leave. It's a free world.
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The person in charge makes difficult decisions for the good of the company. Not the good of the people.

In your scenario, business is sure to fail, as no one will make changes out of fear of losing popularity.

And I like how you called yourself a conservative.
Thats funny too.
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Old March 16th, 2010, 01:17 PM   #39
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Okay then old people are going to be running the companies because they are the most experienced. If you want to have younger people running a company, it is very unlikely that an old person is going to retire when they are making loads of money. There would have to be some kind of system to change who runs the company. Otherwise there wont be any change at all
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Old March 16th, 2010, 01:18 PM   #40
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The person in charge makes difficult decisions for the good of the company. Not the good of the people.

In your scenario, business is sure to fail, as no one will make changes out of fear of losing popularity.

And I like how you called yourself a conservative.
Thats funny too.
Yeah i am. Im against socialism and all that but i had an idea and i shared it, no need to get ur panties in a bunch.
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