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Old February 26th, 2010, 03:59 AM   #361
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...ok so that kinda contradicts what you said previously...so i'm drunk and we'll continue this tomorrow..
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Old February 26th, 2010, 07:18 AM   #362
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for what ?



Your all over the place what does any of this have to do with presidents being christian's
He is confused, ADHD
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Old February 26th, 2010, 07:21 AM   #363
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so you can believe what ever you want here? how come every president is christian?
Most presidents claim to be Christian to get the vote from the people. GWB was more of a Christian than Obama, Clinton if you ask me. They can make the claim to be a Christian but their actions tell the real story. Obama says he is but I doubt it.
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Old February 26th, 2010, 07:24 AM   #364
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i dunno...i dont work for the government...thought that was kinda under wraps, or atleast the truth...but we should continue this tomorrow cause i'm kinda drunk and this is gonna go south fast and i'm gonna look like an idiot soon...
Too late you passed that point 5 posts ago
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Old February 26th, 2010, 10:57 AM   #365
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Are you stupid?

Don't you watch the news?

Just on housing starts alone there has been an increase of.......um....opps my bad, housing starts are down an additional 11% in January, I guess that's on par with the rest of his recovery.

OBAMA SUCKS ASS
Good news for everybody, existing home sales only feel by a little over 7% in January.

Hope and Change we can believe in.

Believe this OBAMA SUCKS ASS
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 08:05 PM   #366
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This Thread is pure american lol
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I just thought I would post some more good stuff Obama is doing.

Here's a quote from the Federal Reserve Chairman.


"at the present level of debt and the present administration's budget is passed, that the debt of the United States will be unsustainable."



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Yeah he still sucks but what else is new?
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Obama deserves two terms.

One term in office

One term in prison
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I just thought I would post some more good stuff Obama is doing.

Here's a quote from the Federal Reserve Chairman.


"at the present level of debt and the present administration's budget is passed, that the debt of the United States will be unsustainable."



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I think I tried to talk about this in another thread back when Bush was in office but everyone just jumped all over me, but if I'm right (and I usually am), Obama is just another in the line starting with Reagan and every one since on both sides of the aisle that is selling us out to the banksters. The goal is to create such a deep national debt that we are forced to declare force majeure. At that point, they own us. I think the party lines disappeared long ago boys, and "they" are trying to keep us fighting with each other while they take over the whole ball of wax.

I would rather fight them than you.
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I think I tried to talk about this in another thread back when Bush was in office but everyone just jumped all over me, but if I'm right (and I usually am), Obama is just another in the line starting with Reagan and every one since on both sides of the aisle that is selling us out to the banksters. The goal is to create such a deep national debt that we are forced to declare force majeure. At that point, they own us. I think the party lines disappeared long ago boys, and "they" are trying to keep us fighting with each other while they take over the whole ball of wax.

I would rather fight them than you.

no. the problem is that the current democratic party members are the ever older flower children. they have destroyed this country with their utopic ideals that simply don't work when implemented. The marxist theory looks great on paper as well. they had this vision of what the U.S. should be like. now that vision is failing. what they though was a never ending supply of tax dollars to spend as they wish and help the lazy to their golden dream of entitlement, the apologetic guilt towards minorities who have self created the squalor they live in has ran us into the ground. now that they have done that, they realize it isn't working. BUT these people were feral from the get go. sweeping off the lessons of responsibility their parents tried to instill for free love and flower power, feel good for today and don't bring me down man. late in life they decided to get a biased liberal education to employ their failed utopic visions simply for the hope the people would fawn at their feet in thanks, providing them with their every wish.

unfortunately it's backfiring for them. confused their lifelong dream of everything free for everyone is so inbred they cannot envision anything else but that. having never learned the lessons of rejection or loss they insist on pushing the one and only idea they ever had because if it fails, they have failed. trust me. they will drag everyone down with them instead of admit they were wrong.

the good news is they have destroyed themselves in just over a year.
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no. the problem is that the current democratic party members are the ever older flower children. they have destroyed this country with their utopic ideals that simply don't work when implemented. The marxist theory looks great on paper as well. they had this vision of what the U.S. should be like. now that vision is failing. what they though was a never ending supply of tax dollars to spend as they wish and help the lazy to their golden dream of entitlement, the apologetic guilt towards minorities who have self created the squalor they live in has ran us into the ground. now that they have done that, they realize it isn't working. BUT these people were feral from the get go. sweeping off the lessons of responsibility their parents tried to instill for free love and flower power, feel good for today and don't bring me down man. late in life they decided to get a biased liberal education to employ their failed utopic visions simply for the hope the people would fawn at their feet in thanks, providing them with their every wish.

unfortunately it's backfiring for them. confused their lifelong dream of everything free for everyone is so inbred they cannot envision anything else but that. having never learned the lessons of rejection or loss they insist on pushing the one and only idea they ever had because if it fails, they have failed. trust me. they will drag everyone down with them instead of admit they were wrong.

the good news is they have destroyed themselves in just over a year.
Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

Okay, you don't like liberal's. Fine. But that's not what I'm saying. There seems to be mounting evidence that more and more control is being handed to the banksters. Although our elected representatives (the government) are "taking over", they all seem to be acting in the interest of the banks, and only the banks, at the expense of the people. I don't believe ANY of us like how things are being handled, yet they are being handled by our elected representatives. In other words, we elected them to represent what we want, but who here feels they are getting that? If you look at some of the things Bush did, or Clinton did, or even Reagan did, you'll see that every single one of them got us deeper and deeper in to debt with the Fed or with other countries, and gave Wall St. more and more ways to put all of us at risk. The current situation seems to be proof of that.

Whether it's Clinton saying he's doing it to help the poor, or Bush saying he's doing it to protect us from terrorist, the one underlying, consistent thing that has come from all of this is that we are essentially owned by the Fed, and all the while we are kept divided by our corporate media and our so-called representatives.

Like Toes, I think both parties are a sham now (which is not to be confused with a shamwow).
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I think I tried to talk about this in another thread back when Bush was in office but everyone just jumped all over me, but if I'm right (and I usually am), Obama is just another in the line starting with Reagan and every one since on both sides of the aisle that is selling us out to the banksters. The goal is to create such a deep national debt that we are forced to declare force majeure. At that point, they own us. I think the party lines disappeared long ago boys, and "they" are trying to keep us fighting with each other while they take over the whole ball of wax.

I would rather fight them than you.
I think this is the first time I can agree with you on something. But it's been going on for a lot longer than Reagan. I'd say the increase Government power has been going on at least since Wison and in my opinion since Lincoln.

I think where you and I are different is that I want to restrain the Government and you want to restrain business.
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I think this is the first time I can agree with you on something. But it's been going on for a lot longer than Reagan. I'd say the increase Government power has been going on at least since Wison and in my opinion since Lincoln.

I think where you and I are different is that I want to restrain the Government and you want to restrain business.
See? We CAN find common ground!

I think government and business are fast becoming one in the same. The latest Supreme Court ruling regarding corporate personhood really just made them the most powerful "people" in the country, and we have just been replaced as the constituents most worthy of concern.

I do believe that businesses should be prevented from ripping people off and polluting our environment. I'm so tired of people saying that environmental regulations hurt business when, back when I lived in California, I supported very large machining operations where our waste streams and environmental impact were substantial and highly regulated, and we not only made it work very well, but actually found ways to reduce our manufacturing issues and increase our profitability. Without the environmental compliance tasks we had to do, we would not likely have found these opportunities AND already have the infrastructure in place (because it had to be there for compliance tasks).

It's like when there was talk of an impending law to prohibit smoking in bars and the bar owners complained that it would hurt their business, but as it turns out it not only did not hurt them, but a large majority saw increases and it is believed that it is due to many people now going to bars where they didn't before because they coudln't stand the smoke.

"WE" have an obligation to not intentionally hurt others, to try to prevent accidental harm, and to pay (in some way) for our mistakes.

"WE" are the people.

"WE", according to the United States Constitution, are the government of this country, and "the government" to which you refer are merely our elected "REPRESENTATIVES" (not leaders... It says that nowhere in the Constitution).

"WE" should most certainly protect ourselves and our environment from harm, thus my belief that WE THE PEOPLE shoud REGULATE BUSINESS.
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See? We CAN find common ground!

I think government and business are fast becoming one in the same. The latest Supreme Court ruling regarding corporate personhood really just made them the most powerful "people" in the country, and we have just been replaced as the constituents most worthy of concern.

I do believe that businesses should be prevented from ripping people off and polluting our environment. I'm so tired of people saying that environmental regulations hurt business when, back when I lived in California, I supported very large machining operations where our waste streams and environmental impact were substantial and highly regulated, and we not only made it work very well, but actually found ways to reduce our manufacturing issues and increase our profitability. Without the environmental compliance tasks we had to do, we would not likely have found these opportunities AND already have the infrastructure in place (because it had to be there for compliance tasks).

It's like when there was talk of an impending law to prohibit smoking in bars and the bar owners complained that it would hurt their business, but as it turns out it not only did not hurt them, but a large majority saw increases and it is believed that it is due to many people now going to bars where they didn't before because they coudln't stand the smoke.

"WE" have an obligation to not intentionally hurt others, to try to prevent accidental harm, and to pay (in some way) for our mistakes.

"WE" are the people.

"WE", according to the United States Constitution, are the government of this country, and "the government" to which you refer are merely our elected "REPRESENTATIVES" (not leaders... It says that nowhere in the Constitution).

"WE" should most certainly protect ourselves and our environment from harm, thus my belief that WE THE PEOPLE shoud REGULATE BUSINESS.
Well that didn't last long.

Hey you know the best way to regulate a business? If you don't like their business practices, then don't buy their product.
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Well that didn't last long.

Hey you know the best way to regulate a business? If you don't like their business practices, then don't buy their product.
So if they pollute the water that your kids eventually drink and YOUR KIDS end up with long-term chronic health issues, your idea of how to solve it is to stip buying their products?

So do you disagree that "WE" are the people, that "WE" are the government according to the United States Constitution, and that "the government" is nothing more than our elected "representatives" according to the United States Constitution?
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See? We CAN find common ground!

I think government and business are fast becoming one in the same. The latest Supreme Court ruling regarding corporate personhood really just made them the most powerful "people" in the country, and we have just been replaced as the constituents most worthy of concern.

I do believe that businesses should be prevented from ripping people off and polluting our environment. I'm so tired of people saying that environmental regulations hurt business when, back when I lived in California, I supported very large machining operations where our waste streams and environmental impact were substantial and highly regulated, and we not only made it work very well, but actually found ways to reduce our manufacturing issues and increase our profitability. Without the environmental compliance tasks we had to do, we would not likely have found these opportunities AND already have the infrastructure in place (because it had to be there for compliance tasks).

It's like when there was talk of an impending law to prohibit smoking in bars and the bar owners complained that it would hurt their business, but as it turns out it not only did not hurt them, but a large majority saw increases and it is believed that it is due to many people now going to bars where they didn't before because they coudln't stand the smoke.
Every bar owner in Ill that I have talked to said their business fell and stayed lower after the smoking ban in Ill.

"WE" have an obligation to not intentionally hurt others, to try to prevent accidental harm, and to pay (in some way) for our mistakes.

"WE" are the people.

"WE", according to the United States Constitution, are the government of this country, and "the government" to which you refer are merely our elected "REPRESENTATIVES" (not leaders... It says that nowhere in the Constitution).

"WE" should most certainly protect ourselves and our environment from harm, thus my belief that WE THE PEOPLE shoud REGULATE BUSINESS.

I call BS
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Fair enough. I base that on the debate that raged and the resulting evaluations after-the-fact back when I lived there. I moved here in 2001, so it will take some research to prove what I heard, and even more to find out if they were right in their opinions, but since you are challenging me I will dig and post. Stay tuned.

BTW, I was still a heavy smoker and bar regular back then, so I was on the side of the smokers and the bars that were fighting it. It never stopped me from going after the law was passed.
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