Go Back   Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > Axle Tech
GL4x4 Live! GL4x4 Casino







Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old February 28th, 2010, 03:43 PM   #101
Bones
skillicous
 
Bones's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-06-05
Location: Dearborn Heights, MI
Posts: 11,266
iTrader: (35)
Send a message via AIM to Bones
I feel like I'm a week late to this party. Here are my 2 cents.

Warn hubs are fine for what Jim needs. I run the 35 spline hubs with sticky comp tires and never had a problem. I generally try to run light throttle but I have known to lean into it when needed.


Lockers - If ARBs are too much coin, the only logical choice is a Detroit. Spools are a waste of money. Might as well weld up the carrier for the rpice of wire. If you ever decide to go back, carriers are a dime a dozen and almost free. FYI- I am welded front and rear. I run a lot of trails in 4x4 and shift into FWD for really tight turns. A better way to turn tight is to learn to hook your inside rear tire on a tree, rock, etc but you have to have the tire sticking out of the body. I am at 108" WB and rarely have to put it in R to make tight turns.

hydro assist will turn a welded front without issue

you need to twin stick your set-up asap. Make it a priority.
__________________
Inviscid Motorsports

Special Thanks and Recommendations to;
Motorcity Machines
Ironman Offroad
Branik Motorsports
Maxxis Tires

Raceline Wheels
PAC Racing Springs
Joint Clutch and Gear
Bones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 28th, 2010, 04:19 PM   #102
whiterhino
I'm not old, honest...
 
whiterhino's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-07-06
Location: Davisburg MI
Posts: 19,942
iTrader: (21)
Bill,

I hear you on the welding vrs spool. Personal choice I guess. I've run a welded D25, 30, 35 & 44. Although I've had a couple welds break, all in all good performance.

RE the hubs, it appears that recently Warn has had problems. In fact, Pat couldn't get me a set due to them being on back order. We'll see how the Tereflex's work out.

Yes, I've done the "hook" thing quite a bit. One of the nicest things about wide axles. Twin stick is not in the immediate future as home improvements are taking a priority.
whiterhino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 28th, 2010, 04:40 PM   #103
jeepbrattt
HER RIG
 
jeepbrattt's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-31-08
Location: waterford mi
Posts: 7,028
iTrader: (25)
Quote:
Originally Posted by liv2mx View Post
get the welder out then!! i have no issues with mine being locked and i have been running 3 years without any hydro anything.yea in some of the comps it would of been nice to turn sharper.but i know it is always locked in..i totally hated that p.o.s. arb in beckys jeep..always something not working.lines getting pulled out ,seals going bad, running out of co2...they are great when they work.but i like knowing it is always locked!!


yep, have had a lot of issues, i do love it when its all working tho! And thank you Erin for all your time and work getting that pos straightened out
__________________
- - - HER RIG - - -
jeepbrattt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 28th, 2010, 05:50 PM   #104
Monkeyevil
I <3 Miatas
 
Monkeyevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
Posts: 8,982
iTrader: (16)
Send a message via AIM to Monkeyevil
A good spool is like $200. Why even risk ruining a trip with a broken weld or carrier to save that? It's not going to break on the Sunday afternoon trip to bundy hill, it's going to break on the week long trip out west. Murphy's law.

It's the same reason I don't like Warn hubs. Your spending thousands of dollars on a front axle to be bullet proof, then you pay $200 some odd dollars for a weak link. Warn makes a long lasting quality made hub. They don't make the STRONGEST ones.
__________________
JcrOffroad
Zoom Zoom!
Monkeyevil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 28th, 2010, 06:05 PM   #105
Bones
skillicous
 
Bones's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-06-05
Location: Dearborn Heights, MI
Posts: 11,266
iTrader: (35)
Send a message via AIM to Bones
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeyevil View Post
A good spool is like $200. Why even risk ruining a trip with a broken weld or carrier to save that? It's not going to break on the Sunday afternoon trip to bundy hill, it's going to break on the week long trip out west. Murphy's law
If you break a weld in your diff you have bigger welds to worry about.
__________________
Inviscid Motorsports

Special Thanks and Recommendations to;
Motorcity Machines
Ironman Offroad
Branik Motorsports
Maxxis Tires

Raceline Wheels
PAC Racing Springs
Joint Clutch and Gear
Bones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 28th, 2010, 07:39 PM   #106
Monkeyevil
I <3 Miatas
 
Monkeyevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
Posts: 8,982
iTrader: (16)
Send a message via AIM to Monkeyevil
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bones View Post
If you break a weld in your diff you have bigger welds to worry about.
Your either welding two very dissimilar metals together, or your just welding the spiders and trusting the cross pin and carrier to handle the stress.

I'm not against welded carriers, I ran one forever. In a stock rear with stock shafts. But when you have many thousands of dollars in a rig to make it strong and reliable, what is $200 to spend on a strong quality part that is integral to your drive train?
__________________
JcrOffroad
Zoom Zoom!
Monkeyevil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 1st, 2010, 07:19 AM   #107
BigBlockBlazer
Axle breakin' 101
 
BigBlockBlazer's Avatar
 
Join Date: 10-08-08
Location: Traverse City, Mi
Posts: 2,312
iTrader: (12)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeyevil View Post
Your either welding two very dissimilar metals together, or your just welding the spiders and trusting the cross pin and carrier to handle the stress.

I'm not against welded carriers, I ran one forever. In a stock rear with stock shafts. But when you have many thousands of dollars in a rig to make it strong and reliable, what is $200 to spend on a strong quality part that is integral to your drive train?
You forgot the cost of gear setup with an install kit = $350.00+-. Weld it.
BigBlockBlazer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 1st, 2010, 08:02 AM   #108
whiterhino
I'm not old, honest...
 
whiterhino's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-07-06
Location: Davisburg MI
Posts: 19,942
iTrader: (21)
I would need an install kit even if I used a stock carrier. I'm certainly not going to weld the Detroit. I'm sure some sucker will buy it.
whiterhino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 1st, 2010, 09:06 AM   #109
bearlys2005
Senior Member
 
bearlys2005's Avatar
 
Join Date: 10-13-06
Location: Macomb, Michigan
Posts: 939
iTrader: (3)
Quote:
Originally Posted by whiterhino View Post
I would need an install kit even if I used a stock carrier. I'm certainly not going to weld the Detroit. I'm sure some sucker will buy it.
Not sure if it will work for you but I do have the open 60 carrier out of my axle. It has 4:10 gears and is a passenger side drop, not sure if it will work for you but thought I'd let you know.
bearlys2005 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 1st, 2010, 09:25 AM   #110
95geo
newbie
 
95geo's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: dryden
Posts: 5,774
iTrader: (6)
I have his old carrier also but he'd need a ring gear spacer either way. Isnt the cutoff 4.56 for the d60's or is it 4.10? I'm drawing a blank.... I think it's 4.56. He's got 4.88's.
95geo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 1st, 2010, 09:38 AM   #111
whiterhino
I'm not old, honest...
 
whiterhino's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-07-06
Location: Davisburg MI
Posts: 19,942
iTrader: (21)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeyevil View Post
But when you have many thousands of dollars in a rig to make it strong and reliable, what is $200 to spend on a strong quality part that is integral to your drive train?
Bingo. I am not welding up an old carrier.
whiterhino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 1st, 2010, 09:46 AM   #112
Pokerob
hug life
 
Pokerob's Avatar
 
Join Date: 10-25-06
Location: G-Rap, MI
Posts: 10,147
iTrader: (25)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 95geo View Post
I have his old carrier also but he'd need a ring gear spacer either way. Isnt the cutoff 4.56 for the d60's or is it 4.10? I'm drawing a blank.... I think it's 4.56. He's got 4.88's.
carrier break is 4:10

4:56 is a different carrier.
Pokerob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 1st, 2010, 03:47 PM   #113
liv2mx
i like jungle gym's.
 
liv2mx's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-10-05
Location: silver lake
Posts: 11,134
iTrader: (4)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBlockBlazer View Post
You forgot the cost of gear setup with an install kit = $350.00+-. Weld it.
x2 i am with you buddy!!!
if your breaking a welded carrier YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO WELD!!
i feel your throwing your 200.00 out the window buying a spool. get a new stereo or something...wire is alot cheaper...
of course a 4x4 shop is not going to tell you to weld it...they make no money that way..
i don't think any of us need to tell you wha't the best thing to do jim..you have more hours in a seat then pretty much everyone on this site.



being your age....money should not be a factor so go throw that 200 out the window and get a spool....
liv2mx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 1st, 2010, 06:09 PM   #114
Monkeyevil
I <3 Miatas
 
Monkeyevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
Posts: 8,982
iTrader: (16)
Send a message via AIM to Monkeyevil
Quote:
Originally Posted by liv2mx View Post
of course a 4x4 shop is not going to tell you to weld it...they make no money that way..
Yes, it's a conspiracy.
__________________
JcrOffroad
Zoom Zoom!

Last edited by Monkeyevil; March 1st, 2010 at 10:45 PM.
Monkeyevil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 3rd, 2010, 07:49 AM   #115
95geo
newbie
 
95geo's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: dryden
Posts: 5,774
iTrader: (6)
SilverXJ, Jim, 79cj and I were there last night when the detroit was pulled apart and it looks brand new inside. There is a little bit of wear from the areas that have broken in but nothing looks like it would be the cause of the loud banging.

I have some pictures that I'll put up later just for the hell of it.
95geo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 3rd, 2010, 09:03 AM   #116
Monkeyevil
I <3 Miatas
 
Monkeyevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
Posts: 8,982
iTrader: (16)
Send a message via AIM to Monkeyevil
Could just be out of spec. Do you still have that np231? How is the chain?
__________________
JcrOffroad
Zoom Zoom!
Monkeyevil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 3rd, 2010, 10:53 AM   #117
whiterhino
I'm not old, honest...
 
whiterhino's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-07-06
Location: Davisburg MI
Posts: 19,942
iTrader: (21)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeyevil View Post
Could just be out of spec. Do you still have that np231? How is the chain?
Yes I do.

I checked it and it seems to have about 10 degrees of backlash on the front driveshaft. (I didn't crack it open) Sure that's a little more than new but I don't think it's enough to make it skip.

Spool goes in this week & I hope to test it at the Mounds Saturday. If the sound it gone, then it was the Detroit. If it's still there, I'll blame it on somebody else.
whiterhino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 11th, 2010, 08:14 PM   #118
pigfat
GONE COMMANDO
 
pigfat's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-11-09
Location: West of Monroe Michigan
Posts: 1,773
iTrader: (50)
Good choice on the spool i run spools front and back and have for 15 years. The same spools. I love em i know im gonna go thru the shit and i know what my tires are doing not getting any surprises from diff movement i didnt want. I had a locker 16 yrs ago i broke and axle shaft and shattered the locker. That was it. Never again and i drove my Willys with the spools as a daily driver for 3 straight years.
pigfat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 14th, 2010, 05:02 PM   #119
whiterhino
I'm not old, honest...
 
whiterhino's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-07-06
Location: Davisburg MI
Posts: 19,942
iTrader: (21)
Well, after installing new lockouts and a spool, I still have the noise. Boils down to a probable transfer case issue.

Thanks to all those who thought it was the axle.
And thanks to all those who thought it was the transfer case.

Garage is warming up right now & I'll tear into the case tonight. More updates to come.
whiterhino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 14th, 2010, 05:50 PM   #120
silverxj
team 14b
 
silverxj's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Davisburg
Posts: 5,619
iTrader: (64)
so this is another one of those "it's our fault threads" now?

I may be able to help you one evening early this week... I'll call you later.
silverxj is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > Axle Tech
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:48 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright 2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2005 - 2012 Cracker Enterprises - Powered by Linux
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=
Page generated in 0.22030 seconds with 52 queries