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Old January 16th, 2010, 08:13 AM   #1
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I guess they are trying to save face and votes with the union,Why is it ok that this is happening??

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...s-health-care/
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I guess they are trying to save face and votes with the union,Why is it ok that this is happening??

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...s-health-care/

.........because a democrap is running the country.
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Old January 16th, 2010, 09:18 AM   #3
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You almost couldn't make this stuff up. O wait, ayn rand wrote about it 50 years ago.
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I'm union, and part of the extremely few union skilled trades that does not buy into all their political push bull shit.

Seems no matter what is going on, or who is our candidate to vote for, any and every union will spend tons of $$$$$ to get their union members to vote all Democrat. Bullhsit, just Bullshit! You cannot tell me that the right thing to do is vote straight Democrat Ticket every single election no matter who is in the running and no matter what the position is.

On top of that, it's is just gagging how much union people buy into this BullShit! I'm proud not to be your typical union fool.
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And to think that liberals in this country had the nerve to complain about Bush. What kind of closed door deals or anything else for that matter could compare to what the Obama administration is up to. What the are up to takes the cake here. I don't believe that Bush was so underhanded and dirty tactics as Obama and his group are.
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This is an Ann Coulter article from almost six years ago. It raises some great points about unions constant support of ...

In the past decade, the AFL-CIO has lobbied Congress on three major issues of any importance to union members:

Oppose the North American Free Trade Agreement;
Oppose permanent normal trade relations with China;
Support drilling for oil in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
The unions lost every vote. Demonstrating his savvy political skills, the head of the AFL-CIO, John Sweeney, repeatedly throws the federation's support to political candidates who opposed labor on all three issues. So if you ever find yourself negotiating with Sweeney, make sure your opening bid is "nothing."

Sweeney's curious lose-at-any-price strategy has cost the unions everything. The only two Democratic presidential candidates to vote with the unions on any of these issues ? not all, but any ? were Representatives Dick Gephardt and Dennis Kucinich. Gephardt was out of the race after the first primary, and Kucinich can't break beyond the Aliens-Kidnapped-My-Mother crowd. (Dennis Kucinich did his tax return this week, and under "occupation" he wrote "Jay Leno punch line.")

There is only one candidate for president who didn't vote for NAFTA, didn't vote for trade with China and supported drilling in ANWR. That candidate is George Bush. He got into office by beating Al Gore ? the guy who was the head cheerleader for NAFTA. And unlike Dick Gephardt, Bush spends more time on the phone with Jimmy Hoffa than with Barbra Streisand. As president, Bush enraged free traders ? and our precious European "allies" ? by imposing tariffs on steel imports.

Sweeney has rewarded Bush by calling him a "horror" for organized labor. Apparently what "organized labor" really wants isn't good jobs at good wages, but ... abortion on demand! The AFL-CIO has vowed to devote massive union resources against Bush in the crucial swing states of Missouri, Ohio and Florida in the coming election.

Strictly following his strategy of selling union votes for nothing, the AFL-CIO has endorsed Sen. John Kerry ? who voted for NAFTA, voted for trade with China and voted against drilling for oil in Alaska. Skilled laborers will have to wait another day for "fair trade" and high-paying jobs in Alaska, but at least Sweeney's candidate supports the issues that really matter to the average blue-collar worker: gay marriage, global-warming treaties and hybrid cars.

Kerry denounces "Benedict Arnold" CEOs who ship "American jobs overseas." (Experts are still trying to figure out why Kerry didn't mention his service in Vietnam in that statement.) Sweeney seems to be satisfied with Kerry's explanation that ? like his vote for war with Iraq ? he voted for free trade, but then was shocked when free trade resulted.

Sen. John Edwards calls protection of U.S. jobs "a moral issue." Reminding audiences that he is the son of a mill worker almost as often as Kerry mentions that he served in Vietnam, Edwards says that "when we talk about trade, we are talking about values." As the son of a mill worker, he has seen with his "own eyes" what bad trade agreements "do to people." Of the evil trade agreements (supported by AFL-CIO's candidate) Edwards says: "Those trade deals were wrong. They cost us too many jobs and lowered our standards."

Except ? like Kerry ? Edwards also voted for those trade agreements every chance he got. In 2000, Edwards voted for trade with China. Having seen with his "own eyes" what happens "when the mill shuts down," Edwards voted to shut down a few more mills. Edwards also voted his conscience to oppose drilling in Alaska. Whenever Edwards' conscience speaks to him, it sounds remarkably like Barbra Streisand.

Edwards' only fig leaf for claiming he backs labor is a hypothetical vote he never actually cast. He bravely claims he would have voted against NAFTA ? if only he had been in the Senate when it came up for a vote.

That's an interesting moral calculus. Edwards didn't mind forcing American workers to compete with a billion Chinese ? famously including child workers and slave laborers. But trade with Canada and Mexico he says would have offended his delicate moral sensibilities.

In his stump speech, Edwards implies he ran against Jesse Helms by saying he beat "the Jesse Helms machine" to win his Senate seat. It was a real David and Goliath match-up ? pitting a poor, beleaguered multimillionaire trial lawyer against an elderly senator of humble means. But the mere mention of Helms' name invariably elicits sneers from the party of the little guy.

Helms voted with the AFL-CIO on all three big labor issues ? against NAFTA, against trade with China and for half a million good jobs in Alaska. Indeed, Helms was one of the main lobbyists against trade with China. The guy Edwards actually beat, Lauch Faircloth, was in the Senate for only one of these votes. The AFL-CIO didn't have to take Faircloth's word on how he might have voted on NAFTA: He voted against it. The AFL-CIO endorsed Edwards and opposed Faircloth and Helms.

It's not particularly surprising that the party of trial lawyers, environmentalists and Hollywood actresses keeps voting against blue collar workers. What's strange is that the AFL-CIO keeps voting against blue-collar workers, too.
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I'm union, and part of the extremely few union skilled trades that does not buy into all their political push bull shit.

Seems no matter what is going on, or who is our candidate to vote for, any and every union will spend tons of $$$$$ to get their union members to vote all Democrat. Bullhsit, just Bullshit! You cannot tell me that the right thing to do is vote straight Democrat Ticket every single election no matter who is in the running and no matter what the position is.

On top of that, it's is just gagging how much union people buy into this BullShit! I'm proud not to be your typical union fool.
I must agree. During the last election, one of the union reps. started preaching to me why I should support the and how much they did for the working class, so I asked him how NAFT was working out for him, and he blames the . After that I asked to get on the V-cap committee and was basically told if I wouldn't pull the union line then, no. So many blind people.
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I'm union, and part of the extremely few union skilled trades that does not buy into all their political push bull shit.

Seems no matter what is going on, or who is our candidate to vote for, any and every union will spend tons of $$$$$ to get their union members to vote all Democrat. Bullhsit, just Bullshit! You cannot tell me that the right thing to do is vote straight Democrat Ticket every single election no matter who is in the running and no matter what the position is.

On top of that, it's is just gagging how much union people buy into this BullShit! I'm proud not to be your typical union fool.
You're like me. I'm not in the Union yet, but I will be since I'm going into welding, and more than likely, it will be at the local iron mines. Everyone at the mines is just a flaming liberal. The point of unions is job security, not to get your favorite politician elected. Now everything is political and many unions try to rape their empoyer with ridiculous demands (I'm not saying ALL union memebers, just most).
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Old January 17th, 2010, 09:50 AM   #9
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My frustration with the union blindness to the is that few of them are really all that liberal - they've just been brainwashed over years and years. In high school, teachers explained to my kids that " are out to protect the common man" while " are rich people out to protect the rich"...

I was at a local auto plant where hunting enthusiast, gun-owning, people who complain about their taxes, bitch about out-of-control welfare, and get torqued about increasing restrictions on land access then explain how they're rabid because " are all rich people who are against the working man".

When you explain to them that the are the driving force behind restrictions on guns, hunting, and land access, push more and higher taxes to better redistribute the wealth through welfare they just don't get it.
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I'm union, and part of the extremely few union skilled trades that does not buy into all their political push bull shit.

Seems no matter what is going on, or who is our candidate to vote for, any and every union will spend tons of $$$$$ to get their union members to vote all Democrat. Bullhsit, just Bullshit! You cannot tell me that the right thing to do is vote straight Democrat Ticket every single election no matter who is in the running and no matter what the position is.

On top of that, it's is just gagging how much union people buy into this BullShit! I'm proud not to be your typical union fool.
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You almost couldn't make this stuff up. O wait, ayn rand wrote about it 50 years ago.
She also wrote about a magical land/safehaven for those against socialism.

Ayn Rand was psycho even if she did write about some of this stuff in her (very large) book.

She wasn't a visionary, she was observing the socialization of European nations and Russia. I will give her credit, she understood that socialism can't work because it takes the motivation away for an individual to succeed.
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She also wrote about a magical land/safehaven for those against socialism.

Ayn Rand was psycho even if she did write about some of this stuff in her (very large) book.

She wasn't a visionary, she was observing the socialization of European nations and Russia. I will give her credit, she understood that socialism can't work because it takes the motivation away for an individual to succeed.
Writing a novel makes her a psycho? The magical safe haven isnt the point of atlas shrugged. Im guessing you haven't read the book.
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Only one point of a Union in todays world. Its not your job its not your benifits its not working conditions. Its their ability to raise more money(via YOUR union dues) to support political polices that do nothing but hurt workers. And yes I am in a union also.
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Daaa yuk yuk Im in da union and UMMM they get my money cause them call it dews daaaa ummm and Im all signed up in their club and all, but I ain't no stupid union followin guy.....No sir eee bob, I'm all stand up ish and indepen.....Oh hang on I gotta make sure my dews get paid...


You have got to be kidding me??????
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Writing a novel makes her a psycho? The magical safe haven isnt the point of atlas shrugged. Im guessing you haven't read the book.
No, looking into her personal life and how she behaved / some things she believed in made her a psycho.

Good book, but she was an odd fucker.
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My frustration with the union blindness to the is that few of them are really all that liberal - they've just been brainwashed over years and years. In high school, teachers explained to my kids that " are out to protect the common man" while " are rich people out to protect the rich"...

I was at a local auto plant where hunting enthusiast, gun-owning, people who complain about their taxes, bitch about out-of-control welfare, and get torqued about increasing restrictions on land access then explain how they're rabid because " are all rich people who are against the working man".

When you explain to them that the are the driving force behind restrictions on guns, hunting, and land access, push more and higher taxes to better redistribute the wealth through welfare they just don't get it.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner!! That is exactly what the Bay City/Flint/Saginaw area suffers from, UAWitis. It speads over to everything else seeing that GM was such a huge employer up here. You put a Republican sign in your yard, expect to see damage, trire tracks, trash, etc. in your yard.

I work with a guy who is a big gun nut. I remember him telling me he was voting BO. He denies he did now but I have explained to him just some of the shit the Dems are pulling to take away OUR federal land and such. His guns are on the hit list too.
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Writing a novel makes her a psycho? The magical safe haven isnt the point of atlas shrugged. Im guessing you haven't read the book.
Dude, the super cool radar that hides secret magical safe havens was totally the purpose of atlas shrugged!!
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