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Old January 17th, 2010, 06:25 PM   #121
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But none stand up to scrutinity and pass the test. It is written not only in the bible but writings from historians of the time of Christ that did not believe in Christ nor who He claimed to be but still wrote the truth about his miricles and what He did when He was on this earth.
Just as what was wriitten about other historical figures. You believe those but not the writtings of Christ, a little biased maybe?
You don't study other religions so how do You know if they pass the test.

Let Me guess because of something a christian told You . Just like in war the winner tells the story . Did your forget that christian's used to show up and burn and destory all the history of place because they said they were heathens.

Remember the crusades
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You don't study other religions so how do You know if they pass the test.

Let Me guess because of something a christian told You . Just like in war the winner tells the story . Did your forget that christian's used to show up and burn and destory all the history of place because they said they were heathens.

Remember the crusades
How many Virgins did you think The Paganistic people Sacrificed in thier ceremonies? To that Statement I would say "Only if you think of the Virgins".
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Old January 17th, 2010, 06:48 PM   #123
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How many Virgins did you think The Paganistic people Sacrificed in thier ceremonies? To that Statement I would say "Only if you think of the Virgins".
sorry but every religion was not killing virgins .

Still how does it make it ok for christians to destory everything and kill the people that don't change to what thet say?

Is that any more right than kill virgins ?
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sorry but every religion was not killing virgins .

Still how does it make it ok for christians to destory everything and kill the people that don't change to what thet say?

Is that any more right than kill virgins ?
One thing for sure the muslim religion is told to kill all who do not believe as they do. The muslims to this day are killing Christians in the name of allah because others do not believe as they do.
The Christians are told to spread the word of God to everybody and at that point the rest is up to you to decide what you will do with what you were told. Accept it or not, your fate lies in your own hands.
See if you were walking towards a cliff and I knew that the way you were going was going to end up with you splattered at the bottom of that cliff it is my responsibility to warn you of the danger you are placing yourself in.
See us Christians did not make up the rules we just follow them and if we are wrong then we have nothing to lose... but if we are right then you have your life to lose for all eternity separate from God.
Your own disobedience will be your destruction. Why be such a stubborn ass, have a little faith in what we say is to be true.
I do know that I have no reason to lie to you or mislead you.
I once believed as you do and thought that I can do it on my own and did not need a crutch of any kind to get me through my troubles or my good times.
Being drunk and high for years, lost my wife due to divorce, because of my own ignorence and stupidity. And then the light bulb gets turned on and I see that God has been after me for years to follow Him. I would never regret making my choice to follow Jesus Christ as I have a more fulfilling life with purpose. I am still the same person only a different set of guide lines to follow.
If being a Christian means being the minority then thats ok. I'm in the minority.
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sorry but every religion was not killing virgins .

Still how does it make it ok for christians to destory everything and kill the people that don't change to what thet say?

Is that any more right than kill virgins ?
It was a joke.

The Christians you're talking about were abusing the gospel for thier own means. I can tell you that MOST churches today do not do that. They are there to help. I'm not sure what Fate awaits believers that use Christ for gain for them selves. Honestly, I don't want to know.

Most of the time when People talk about Christians destroying things or killing off everything it is because of the abuse of the Gospel I mentioned above. The Crusades, The killing of Native Americans and other Indigenous Tribes, all because someone in power got greedy and took advantage of the Uneducated people of the time period.

It's even happening in Many 3rd world countries as we speak. There are "Pastors" who teach that it's ok to harm children that fit a certain criteria. It's a Mixture of Voodoo and Christianity. It's the most upsetting thing I've ever heard about but the people of this guys church are being abused by him. All because these people aren't educated enough to know better.
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It was a joke.

The Christians you're talking about were abusing the gospel for thier own means. I can tell you that MOST churches today do not do that. They are there to help. I'm not sure what Fate awaits believers that use Christ for gain for them selves. Honestly, I don't want to know.

Most of the time when People talk about Christians destroying things or killing off everything it is because of the abuse of the Gospel I mentioned above. The Crusades, The killing of Native Americans and other Indigenous Tribes, all because someone in power got greedy and took advantage of the Uneducated people of the time period.

It's even happening in Many 3rd world countries as we speak. There are "Pastors" who teach that it's ok to harm children that fit a certain criteria. It's a Mixture of Voodoo and Christianity. It's the most upsetting thing I've ever heard about but the people of this guys church are being abused by him. All because these people aren't educated enough to know better.
So what you're saying is Jim Jones wasn't Jesus?
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So what you're saying is Jim Jones wasn't Jesus?
Nope, I don't think so. Unless his middle name was Jesus...Then technically he would be. But then He'd be Jim Jesus Jones. That would get confusing and to much like KKK. I mean JJJ, Come on. :Shurg:
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Nope, I don't think so. Unless his middle name was Jesus...Then technically he would be. But then He'd be Jim Jesus Jones. That would get confusing and to much like KKK. I mean JJJ, Come on. :Shurg:
But he made magic kool aide out of water?
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Interesting thread, but I've only made it through about half of it. No time to read the rest. Just a couple of observations:
1. Regarding all those killed in Haiti. It seems to me no one has looked at the simple fact that all of us have to die sometime, it's just a matter of when, where, how, etc. Of course no one can say with certainty how the lives of those people that died in the quake would have been had they lived on. But, based on the current conditions in Haiti, its past, and prospects for the future, I think we can safely say that most of those people probably would have lived pretty horrible lives. So, dying suddenly in an earthquake might actually be more merciful than living on for another fifty years in malnutirtion, disease, horrible poverty, ruled by thieving oligarchs, etc. And, though things will be difficult for the survivors for some time, the quake will no doubt bring a lot of aid to the country, and organizations will be set up to bring long term help. How many of you thought about Haiti for a second before the disaster?
2. Regarding the "problem of evil," that's a long lasting problem that won't be resolved through snippets on a 4x4 BB. However, from a Darwinist's point of view, there should be no "problem" of evil - it's just the way things are. In fact, it's events like this that "naturally select" the more fit to survive, and therefore should lead to the improvement of Haiti - the survival of the stronger or smarter - like those that build concrete structures with rebar. It's only when you have an objective standard of good and evil that you are able to make moral judgments. From a true Darwinist perspective, no such thing as "evil" can exist. In fact, nor should something like a relief effort for Haiti. If our minds truly developed as Darwinists say, then we should all be sitting back gloating and saying to ourselves "that leaves more scarce resources for me and my offspring. I hope more die from disease in the aftermath of the quake."

Oh, and for those that say Christians have destroyed the histories of other peoples, that's just based on ignorance of history. Christian missionaries and workers are often the ones that have preserved the languages and cultures of many of the peoples that they worked with. Many of these missionaries created alphabets for other cultures, and reduced native languages to writing for the first time, allowing the peoples themselves to preserve their cultures. Example, Cyrillic alphabet, invented by Christians to write down many slavic languages. Catholic monks collected and preserved the Aztec accounts of the arrival of the Spanish, despite the fact that they were very hostile accounts.

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